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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 6:12 am
(December 13, 2014 at 12:19 am)IATIA Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 11:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Taxes could prohibit many from forming churches. It takes a lot of money to start and run a church. If only that were true. Paying their fair share, however, will not stop them. We have yet to find any way to stop them.
What would give you the right to stop Christianity?
GC
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 9:11 am
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(December 13, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Heywood Wrote: If you read post 1-295 you will find that I have already put out my position about taxing people when they come together to engage in some activity.
You clearly have a problem understanding my question.
I was asking you to provide evidence that taxation has hampered a free press.
You haven't done so. I will therefore regard that claim of yours as ex culo, and move on to something more interesting. Good day.
(December 14, 2014 at 6:12 am)Godschild Wrote: What would give you the right to stop Christianity?
GC
The same thing that gives you the right to try to stop disbelief -- the freedom of personal action within the bounds of the law.
At least his goal, unlike yours, is laudable. You seek to impose Bronze-age ignorance upon people with your vapid preachments.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 9:56 am
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(December 13, 2014 at 5:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: Freedom of religion does not allow one not to pay taxes or sacrifice virgins. The government can still pass laws that obstruct free exercise of religion if they are necessary for governance. Revoking the tax exempt status of churches is not necessary for governance. Society and government are not collapsing because churches have tax exempt status. Churches don't have tax exempt status.
-And even if it were specifically against my religion to pay taxes..... you'd be okay with making me pay a tax. This table has no legs Heywood.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 10:04 am
My religious beliefs require me to poke everyone I meet in the eye, and to posess 3kg of gold. The government is persecuting me. They keep arresting me for poking eyes, and they won't give me any gold.
The laws need to be changed so I can practice my religious activities.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 11:05 am
(December 14, 2014 at 6:12 am)Godschild Wrote: What would give you the right to stop Christianity? Power. God respects power, and his power is what makes his pronouncements good, or just, or right. To stop Christianity you would need power.
But I think that's a very messy and costly way to achieve something that I think time will accomplish just as effectively and with less bloodshed.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 7:00 pm
(December 14, 2014 at 11:05 am)Tonus Wrote: (December 14, 2014 at 6:12 am)Godschild Wrote: What would give you the right to stop Christianity? Power. God respects power, and his power is what makes his pronouncements good, or just, or right. To stop Christianity you would need power.
But I think that's a very messy and costly way to achieve something that I think time will accomplish just as effectively and with less bloodshed.
God doesn't have to respect power, no one has any unless He allows it, that being said, do you think God would give anyone enough power to stop Christianity.
God's pronouncement come from His nature, who He is, love, goodness, righteousness, justice and ect. and no one is powerful enough to take it them away.
GC
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 7:06 pm
Funny thing is, the less people believe in it, GC, the more impotent this god thing becomes. Ever notice that?
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 7:06 pm
Whew, I almost need a cigarette after that GC, you want one?
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 7:07 pm
There have been other religions and other gods for thousands of years before christianity. Another millennia or two and christianity will be considered by all, just as silly as believing in Zeus or Odin.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 14, 2014 at 7:19 pm
(December 14, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 14, 2014 at 11:05 am)Tonus Wrote: Power. God respects power, and his power is what makes his pronouncements good, or just, or right. To stop Christianity you would need power.
But I think that's a very messy and costly way to achieve something that I think time will accomplish just as effectively and with less bloodshed.
God doesn't have to respect power, no one has any unless He allows it, that being said, do you think God would give anyone enough power to stop Christianity.
God's pronouncement come from His nature, who He is, love, goodness, righteousness, justice and ect. and no one is powerful enough to take it them away.
GC
From what I am hearing from the Christians on this thread, paperwork and tax laws can defeat your god.
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