Oregon Journalist Andy Ngo Attacked By Antifa Members

[EgoDeath]

Are we discussing the right wing boogeyman myth, or antifa?

Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

So far, all I've seen are masked thugs who attack people without provocation in public. Do they support some good causes? Maybe. Do they sometimes hold protests that never become anything but peaceful, albeit a bit rowdy? Absolutely. But all in all, they seem like a bunch of assholes. I wish a masked group of internet nerds would try me like that; I'd have a field day with them. And that's what scares me... what happens when they do that same type of shit they did to Ngo to a right-wing nutjob that actually has the ball to turn around a mow down a crowd of them? I don't think these Antifa clowns really understand this game they're playing. They don't REALLY understand violence. They seem to have this Wiley Coyote idea of rumbling with the bad guy where everyone walks away mostly okay.

What happens when one of them gets killed and then they cry about it? Then the right gets demonized for it? At the end of the day I don't really think they understand the game they're playing.

[onlinebiker]

It'  all fun and games until somebody' s eye gets put out. --Mom (most everyone's)

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Are we discussing the right wing boogeyman myth, or antifa?

Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

So far, all I've seen are masked thugs who attack people without provocation in public. Do they support some good causes? Maybe. Do they sometimes hold protests that never become anything but peaceful, albeit a bit rowdy? Absolutely. But all in all, they seem like a bunch of assholes. I wish a masked group of internet nerds would try me like that; I'd have a field day with them. And that's what scares me... what happens when they do that same type of shit they did to Ngo to a right-wing nutjob that actually has the ball to turn around a mow down a crowd of them? I don't think these Antifa clowns really understand this game they're playing. They don't REALLY understand violence. They seem to have this Wiley Coyote idea of rumbling with the bad guy where everyone walks away mostly okay.

What happens when one of them gets killed and then they cry about it? Then the right gets demonized for it? At the end of the day I don't really think they understand the game they're playing.

Couldn't agree more.  Their thump-and-run tactics aren't really street violence.  Buncha mental pygmies playing at being Jack the lad.

Boru

[EgoDeath]

Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

So far, all I've seen are masked thugs who attack people without provocation in public. Do they support some good causes? Maybe. Do they sometimes hold protests that never become anything but peaceful, albeit a bit rowdy? Absolutely. But all in all, they seem like a bunch of assholes. I wish a masked group of internet nerds would try me like that; I'd have a field day with them. And that's what scares me... what happens when they do that same type of shit they did to Ngo to a right-wing nutjob that actually has the ball to turn around a mow down a crowd of them? I don't think these Antifa clowns really understand this game they're playing. They don't REALLY understand violence. They seem to have this Wiley Coyote idea of rumbling with the bad guy where everyone walks away mostly okay.

What happens when one of them gets killed and then they cry about it? Then the right gets demonized for it? At the end of the day I don't really think they understand the game they're playing.

Couldn't agree more.  Their thump-and-run tactics aren't really street violence.  Buncha mental pygmies playing at being Jack the lad.

Boru

Which isn't to say that, some day, Antifa won't be something to fear. If they got some actual tough SOBs in their ranks and stopped playing thump-and-run, bought some guns and became a centralized movement, they'd be a serious problem.

But right now, I'm simply scared they're going to bite off more than they can chew with the wrong person or persons.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Couldn't agree more.  Their thump-and-run tactics aren't really street violence.  Buncha mental pygmies playing at being Jack the lad.

Boru

Which isn't to say that, some day, Antifa won't be something to fear. If they got some actual tough SOBs in their ranks and stopped playing thump-and-run, bought some guns and became a centralized movement, they'd be a serious problem.

But right now, I'm simply scared they're going to bite off more than they can chew with the wrong person or persons.

Personally, I can't fucking WAIT for that day.  If a few of these 'anti-fascist' fascists get kneecapped, maybe they'll grasp that there's better ways to make their point.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Are we discussing the right wing boogeyman myth, or antifa?

Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

in all of the ways already described in thread, and many more...if you cared to take a look at the interviews books and research on the movement. It’s an interesting bird. A reactionary movement arising out of s culture that has explicitly and successfully made violence the strongest of taboos confronting a problem that at the national and local level may simply require violence.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the police open fire, or when alt right nuts throw a firebomb into their ranks, for sure.

Getting kneecapped or shot at, though, would be a stunning demonstration of their point even if it caused the majority to abandon the movement.

[Amarok]

Personally, I can't fucking WAIT for that day.  If a few of these 'anti-fascist' fascists get kneecapped, maybe they'll grasp that there's better ways to make their point.

Boru

1. Antifa have already been attacked hell even killed 


2. They totally expect to be beaten and attacked it doesn't faze them 


3. Lol better ways ....

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Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

It's called research

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Care to clarify? How does the "myth" of Antifa espoused by the right differ from the actual Antifa?

in all of the ways already described in thread, and many more...if you cared to take a look at the interviews books and research on the movement.  It’s an interesting bird.  A reactionary movement arising out of s culture that has explicitly and successfully made violence the strongest of taboos confronting a problem that at the national and local level may simply require violence.  

It will be interesting to see what happens when the police open fire, or when alt right nuts throw a firebomb into their ranks, for sure.

Getting kneecapped or shot at, though, would be a stunning demonstration of their point even if it caused the majority to abandon the movement.

It will take a great deal more then that to break Antifa

[The Grand Nudger]

Obviously, but with respect to it’s American incarnation it would definitely winnow down the number of people willing to go all in with them. This is a recurring theme of every iteration of anti fascist groups through time and across borders.

They emerge, shrink, and then grow again within the context of the conflict at hand and the actions of fascists and government.

They’re looking to defend tolerant communities, and what that looks like (and how far they have to go to do that) necessarily depends on outside factors.

[Mister Agenda]

The violence was not justified, but it wasn't purely a political disagreement. Ngo was well known and despised by Portland antifa members, not least for doxxing one of their members. There was a strong personal element to the attack, he was hated.

I don't condone brawling or other violence by antifa, but they have no equivalent to church, mosque, or synagogue shootings or the murder of Heyer. Their tactics are unacceptable and in my opinion do more to feed the right wing fear narative than to improve things (I think they should use strictly nonviolent protest), but in no way is US antifa an example of 'they do it too' without a body count.

When you attack someone without provocation, nothing else you have to say matters. It doesn't matter how much you hate someone or what they did to you. In the Western World, we call that assault. Not to mention, Ngo claims that he didn't doxx anyone; he named someone by first and last name and released a picture of them. Those are his word. To me, that's far different from releasing someone's personal phone number or home address, which antifa did to some 1500 ICE agents.

If nothing antifa says matters because a few of them assaulted someone, nothing the far right has to say matters because some of them have killed a lot of people. If your assertion was true, instead of being fallacious. It does not follow that if I assault someone, nothing I have to say matters. A murderer can write a profound book (and a couple have).

You seem to have a limited understanding of what doxxing is. And it doesn't follow that if antifa doxxed someone, some of them can't get mad about being doxxed themselves (hypocritical probably applies). The point was that there was a personal element to the attack, there's plenty of other far right peeps they didn't bother to attack, for some reason, the ones who became violent went after the person who had pissed them off the most. Go figure. The attack was completely unjustified, but it wasn't JUST political.

[The Grand Nudger]

There’s a difference between something being completely unjustified and our rejection of a justification.

There isn’t a solid way to categorically reject antifas justification for violence. History is on their side. Current events reenforce their notions. We reject it from an ideological rather than factual basis. In that sense, we may be the hopeful (and ultimately useful) idiots in the equation.

As a side note, I find it deliciously ironic that antifa is stuck between preemption and hearts and minds. A thoroughly American dilemma of the past few decades, finally playing out here rather than “over there”. Perhaps this will give us some sense of the anxieties that others have been forced to confront in our normalizing forever war.