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(July 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Manowar Wrote: let's not worry about the single mother who can't make ends meet but now has another tax to pay. She does not count, drug addicts do. My objection is that is COSTS TOO MUCH simple. When people are taxed to death they become oppressed. I know we pay for it in other ways but about $5000 a year from my wallet is way too much I guess we won't agree on this
So I guess the single mother in my example that is paying up to $4160 a month for health care doesn't matter at all to you. Even though you are paying more for her now than you would be under "ObamaCare". Makes sense. Thanks for showing your true colors & complete lack of a logical thought process.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
July 23, 2012 at 10:25 am (This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 10:27 am by Creed of Heresy.)
Yes, ripped to the bone. Hahahaha. There's pictures of me on this site, a few of them with me shirtless. If you're "ripped to the bone" that might explain why you don't seem to actually know the first thing about Obamacare, meathead; too much time pumping iron, not enough time reading about the political matters you're whining pointlessly over.
Namely that the tax, like all other taxes, does not affect or has a lower rate for lower income brackets; specifically, individuals in the lower-income tax bracket pay much lower than those in the upper income brackets.
You earlier made some bullshit claim that you'll be paying $400-500 a month. For one thing, you're full of shit. The tax rate increase will be a .9% medicare tax increase. Allow me to clarify: DECIMAL POINT NINE. Less than one percent. The only way you're paying $500 a MONTH in it is if you're in the high-income tax bracket. The rest is paid for by taxes on health insurance providers, high-end "cadillac" premiums, unearned income on anyone making over $250k a year...here, here's a list.
Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
so where the FUCK are you getting this stupid-ass "I'm going to be paying $500 a month BAAAAWWWWW" bullshit from?? You're pulling numbers straight the fuck out of your ass and you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about so I will posit to you, either put up a quote on why you're going to be spending so much or admit you don't know what you're on about and shut the hell up. I have zero tolerance for people who talk about shit they don't know anything about and you clearly have no fucking clue about anything about this save what you've heard on Faux News.
Also if the national debt concerns you, you should SUPPORT this!
Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)
Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion
IE this bill will clear about $200 billion in yearly expenditures from the budget. That's a fucking ENORMOUS chunk of the deficit, GONE.
Yes, ripped to the bone. Hahahaha. There's pictures of me on this site, a few of them with me shirtless. If you're "ripped to the bone" that might explain why you don't seem to actually know the first thing about Obamacare, meathead; too much time pumping iron, not enough time reading about the political matters you're whining pointlessly over.
Namely that the tax, like all other taxes, does not affect or has a lower rate for lower income brackets; specifically, individuals in the lower-income tax bracket pay much lower than those in the upper income brackets.
You earlier made some bullshit claim that you'll be paying $400-500 a month. For one thing, you're full of shit. The tax rate increase will be a .9% medicare tax increase. Allow me to clarify: DECIMAL POINT NINE. Less than one percent. The only way you're paying $500 a MONTH in it is if you're in the high-income tax bracket. The rest is paid for by taxes on health insurance providers, high-end "cadillac" premiums, unearned income on anyone making over $250k a year...here, here's a list.
Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
so where the FUCK are you getting this stupid-ass "I'm going to be paying $500 a month BAAAAWWWWW" bullshit from?? You're pulling numbers straight the fuck out of your ass and you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about so I will posit to you, either put up a quote on why you're going to be spending so much or admit you don't know what you're on about and shut the hell up. I have zero tolerance for people who talk about shit they don't know anything about and you clearly have no fucking clue about anything about this save what you've heard on Faux News.
Also if the national debt concerns you, you should SUPPORT this!
Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)
Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion
IE this bill will clear about $200 billion in yearly expenditures from the budget. That's a fucking ENORMOUS chunk of the deficit, GONE.
WHY. ARE. YOU. COMPLAINING.
Pwned.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
July 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm by Whateverist.)
(July 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Manowar Wrote: People here say i am selfish, a me attitude. Yes, by all means lets worry about the 10% of the population that uses up 50% of the resources,people that don't give a F...k about others footing the bill
don't care about changing their lifestlyes smoking until their fingertips are yellow, people who are going to get drunk out of their minds, people who don't want to take personal responsibilty for their actions. F..k it someone else will pay so why stop? Those are the same ones that drive costs up but again they they don't give a shit, why should they Obama will come to their rescue. let's not worry about the single mother who can't make ends meet but now has another tax to pay. She does not count, drug addicts do. My objection is that is COSTS TOO MUCH simple. When people are taxed to death they become oppressed. I know we pay for it in other ways but about $5000 a year from my wallet is way too much I guess we won't agree on this Stop being Obama's tools
Manowar
How many times have I argued that it doesn't take a genius to be an atheist? Here we have a case that shows atheism won't even prevent you from being an unthinking ditto-head who sucks down all his opinions from FOX news and and the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
If you have any self-respect, Manowar, try to get clear on what assumptions you are making in all of this. Do you profit from the insurance industry? If not, why do you want them profiting from our basic need for health care? You do understand that Lance Armstrong was a pretty healthy and fit guy, right? You can't through your own efforts eliminate the need for healthcare.
July 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(July 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Jaysyn Wrote:
(July 23, 2012 at 10:25 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote:
Yes, ripped to the bone. Hahahaha. There's pictures of me on this site, a few of them with me shirtless. If you're "ripped to the bone" that might explain why you don't seem to actually know the first thing about Obamacare, meathead; too much time pumping iron, not enough time reading about the political matters you're whining pointlessly over.
Namely that the tax, like all other taxes, does not affect or has a lower rate for lower income brackets; specifically, individuals in the lower-income tax bracket pay much lower than those in the upper income brackets.
You earlier made some bullshit claim that you'll be paying $400-500 a month. For one thing, you're full of shit. The tax rate increase will be a .9% medicare tax increase. Allow me to clarify: DECIMAL POINT NINE. Less than one percent. The only way you're paying $500 a MONTH in it is if you're in the high-income tax bracket. The rest is paid for by taxes on health insurance providers, high-end "cadillac" premiums, unearned income on anyone making over $250k a year...here, here's a list.
Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
so where the FUCK are you getting this stupid-ass "I'm going to be paying $500 a month BAAAAWWWWW" bullshit from?? You're pulling numbers straight the fuck out of your ass and you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about so I will posit to you, either put up a quote on why you're going to be spending so much or admit you don't know what you're on about and shut the hell up. I have zero tolerance for people who talk about shit they don't know anything about and you clearly have no fucking clue about anything about this save what you've heard on Faux News.
Also if the national debt concerns you, you should SUPPORT this!
Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)
Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion
IE this bill will clear about $200 billion in yearly expenditures from the budget. That's a fucking ENORMOUS chunk of the deficit, GONE.
WHY. ARE. YOU. COMPLAINING.
Pwned.
*bows* I do my best when I feel like it.
(July 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(July 23, 2012 at 10:25 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: WHY. ARE. YOU. COMPLAINING.
Because it chafes his self-entitled hide that his tax dollars (which he had little say in anyways) are now spent to help his fellow man.
And that he doesn't get to decide who gets those funds.
Just a ghoul who wants to pick and choose who lives or dies.
But Moros, SURELY the American idea of unity, and liberty and justice FOR ALL actually means "it's all about me and fuck the rest, especially the poor because I'm not poor and therefore everyone must have the same chances and opportunities and placement I had, therefore anyone who is poor is doing it to themselves, the situations they are in and any consideration for them be damned!" *lol*
(July 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm)whateverist Wrote: How many times have I argued that it doesn't take a genius to be an atheist? Here we have a case that shows atheism won't even prevent you from being an unthinking ditto-head who sucks down all his opinions from FOX news and and the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
If you have any self-respect, Manowar, try to get clear on what assumptions you are making in all of this. Do you profit from the insurance industry? If not, why do you want them profiting from our basic need for health care? You do understand that Lance Armstrong was a pretty healthy and fit guy, right? You can't through your own efforts eliminate the need for healthcare.
Fucking OWNED.
Also: Bold-letters for exactly the fucking problem; he's ASSUMING, and making as if he's speaking fact. Making shit up and basing his shit on absolutely nothing and speaking as if he knows something about it.
(July 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm)Stue Denim Wrote: For the sake of argument lets say it does improve healthcare, lets say it is wonderful, perfect even, a score of 100% (which we know isn't true). The fact that it exists means you're not relying on other systems (like the American one for instance, which we'll say is the second best possible, for the sake of argument [though we know that isn't true either]), which would exist in the absence of the nhs. Lets say the American system is downright abysmal and scores a very low 12% rating, well then, the NHS gets credit for 88%, not credit for 100%. Even if it were true that everybody did rely upon it at some point, that would be because they've already paid for it, so it exists in the place of alternatives, why pay for something when you've already paid for it?
Britain does have an alternative to the nhs it is called bupa and works in a similar fashion to the us system. It gives premium treatment and jumps waiting lists. But if you are in bupa you still have to pay for your share of the nhs that is how it should be. Because the nhs is universal health care and bupa denies treatment on the same basis as American companies
How's this: Hold people accountable for their health. Example if you are 50Lbs overweight pay 50% more, smoke 1 pack a a day pay 25 % more, two packs pay 50% more and so on. No, you don't want that you guys are too busy bleeding for those people who drive costs up. to busy missing my point. How come people who drive costs up don't get blamed by you guys himmm?
The $500 a month i got from an insurance agent. Over a year ago when Obamacare got the votes i went online to get info and agents from the area called me. Plus on page 3 of this thread CD said i am not far off. I have read many different costs on the net and they are all different, but you guys know better.
(July 23, 2012 at 5:10 pm)Manowar Wrote: you guys are too busy bleeding for those people who drive costs up.
Still waiting for you to address my posts that put aside the human factor and feelings of compassion to discuss strictly the costs of our Byzantine health care system and how monstrously inefficient it is.
And for the record, I'm bleeding all over the place for the bastards who drive health care costs up. I run a small business and the leeches at the Health Care insurance companies are bleeding me to death.
I'd happily pay more taxes to get Medicare For All. I would come out money ahead, saving on all the bloated premiums.
It's cheaper.
It's more efficient.
It's more humane.
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