Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[The Grand Nudger]

Don't bullshit yourself Drich, you absolutely do default to your own morality and use it as a standard. You're just fond of claiming the god proxy rather than owning it.

[Aroura]

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I'm disturbed because you defend things you yourself would never do. You admit you find them morally wrong to do them yourself, correct? So your own sense of right and wrong also doesn't line up with Gods.

Absolutly not. My sense of morality is just as corrupt as your. The only difference between you and i is i do not default to my 'morality' as any type of standard to judge others (or not) Nor is it a standard to commit my life.

And yet you do still judge people, it is human to do so. You just do it using the standard you claim is set by God, but as has been pointed out, is really just your own and society's. And, you do it with more self-righteousness, because you think you have the backing of the creator of the universe when you judge others. You did it just now, this entire reply is LOADED with your judgement of me, and we have talked, what, 10 sentences to each other?

It is funny to me, in reality you and I are not so different. We have roughly the same morals, because we live in roughly the same society (which is where you actually get your morals and your standards). And yet you think you have higher standards. From the God of the bible (who has demonstrably poorer standards). That is seriously deep irony.

[Aractus]

This is your response to that entire page on Jesus' morality. Some tiny snippet about a furious four-year old?!?

I'm sorry, did you expect me to wate my time refuting each and every point in a very long reply?

Never mind that you pulled a Drich and completely ignored 99% of it, but then, you follow it up with this final doozy:

Plus, what four year olds are able to curse a fig tree and in doing so cause it to wither?

O my god. Pathetic. Your god's alleged supernatural abilities has absolutely NOTHING to do with this conversation. You may want to have your IQ checked. I have to ask: Are you required to wear a helmet when you leave the house?

Do four year olds curse fig trees or not?

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Again killing another person in of itself is not a sin. It is intentionally killing that person outside the will of God that makes it murder.

Incorrect. Show me what Bible passage you get this idea from. You can't because there isn't one. Let me guess, Ex 20:13 says "murder" and not "kill" right? Well what about Ex 21:12 "Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death." It may be implicit that God "means to say" something like "except if I tell you to" after every sin, but doesn't change the fact that killing, in and of itself, is inherently sinful.

[KichigaiNeko]

Yes we expect you to refute every point silly. Stop being lazy.

Well derrr It's your book sunshine. To us it seems like a two year old tantrum regarding the fruit of the fig tree. YOU explain it to us mate!

[Kirbmarc]

Do four year olds curse fig trees or not?

The article was about Jesus' emotional maturity, not his powers.

[John V]

Incorrect. Show me what Bible passage you get this idea from. You can't because there isn't one. Let me guess, Ex 20:13 says "murder" and not "kill" right? Well what about Ex 21:12 "Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death." It may be implicit that God "means to say" something like "except if I tell you to" after every sin, but doesn't change the fact that killing, in and of itself, is inherently sinful.

Your own verse says that the killer shall be put to death. Is that killing inherently sinful?

[Ryantology]

I do not celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
Neither does God.
Where these appear in the bible they ARE horrible and meant to be understood as horrible.

All violence in the bible is instigated by man and God intervenes only to punish and prevent it.

If this was true, God would conspire only to kill the specific individuals guilty of wrongdoing. An omniscient being should have no trouble doing that. But, either he's lazy, stupid, or wicked (or all three), so he simply wipes out entire populations. In fact, he gives his band of murderers specific instructions to kill children and women and livestock.

And then you psychotic shits have the nerve to criticize the pro-choice crowd.

I have already refuted the Op.
It says Christians blah blah blah.
I dont celebrate ANY of those.
Game over. You lose.

You're either lying or you don't know your own dogma as well as you should. Game over. You lose.

This WHOLE THREAD belongs in the Hall of Shame.

I would be honored!

Absolutly not. My sense of morality is just as corrupt as your. The only difference between you and i is i do not default to my 'morality' as any type of standard to judge others (or not) Nor is it a standard to commit my life.

So, you're a psychopath, in other words. Just like the invisible friend you worship.

Your own verse says that the killer shall be put to death. Is that killing inherently sinful?

It shouldn't be, because God sure enjoys it. Maybe he just doesn't like free-agency killings. He wants all the blood for himself.

[John V]

It shouldn't be, because God sure enjoys it. Maybe he just doesn't like free-agency killings. He wants all the blood for himself.

That's incorrect.

Ezek 33
11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live.

[thesummerqueen]

God creates man. God tempts man by having a tree in the garden he's not supposed to eat. God punishes man for eating instead of just removing tree. Man gets banished.

Man multiplies. Man supposedly turns away from God. God decides he's powerless to do anything other than drown out the wicked.

No pleasure, eh? I suppose he didn't think to have a conference first? Coaching sessions? Use some of that divine power that hardened the Pharoah's heart to the purpose of the Exodus?

God is a being playing with Legos and Lego people who enjoys building things up and knocking them down. Nothing more.

And what the fuck was all that about Lot's wife being turned into salt for looking back at the town she had lived in - if not all her life, at least a good long time?

Don't bother answering - I don't want another special pleading argument of "you just don't understand" or "God's outside of our fathom". Seems to me, according to this book He used to be able to at least give a reason himself for the shit he did. Now? Nada.

The only burning bushes I know of are the kinds on hookers.

[Ryantology]

11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live.

My response to this would be a recitation of the old maxim comparing the volume of spoken words as opposed to that of deeds done.

In other words, your God is a liar justifying his thirst for blood.