Colorado parents of transgender 1st-grader file complaint over restroom ban

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Well, I hate to be the stick in the mud, but gender is not arbitrary by a long shot. Perhaps I am being a stickler for the definition of the word arbitrary, but I think we all know there are differences between male and female. I have to agree with those here who say that is awfully young to be concerned about gender. Do I care overly much how the child came to be confused or sure about his or her gender? Nope. It's mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is that boy means penis and girl means vagina in terms of a bathroom. I see a lot of, "Let her use whatever bathroom she likes. They're just kids. No harm." Well, you could be right, but I do not see a single shit given for the long term. What happens when said kids are not little anymore? Boy, girl, banana, I don't give a shit. I don't want a vagina in my teen nephew's bathroom or a penis in my teen niece's bathroom. I give not a single shit if it is attached to a dress wearer or a pants wearer or a tree. Unisex bathrooms? Seriously. Adults do not even have those. I would be extraordinarily uncomfortable if I had to change a tampon in a unisex bathroom or were alone with a strange man in a bathroom. Now, back to the point of this child, she has a penis and will presumably continue to have one until she is an adult. Since "oh, just let them do it" is not going to work in a teen restroom, the child should be assimilated to reality as soon as possible. She has to use the boy's room or perhaps the nurse's office. C'est la vie. I personally think it would be more harmful to cater to it now and have reality slap her in the face later than to just explain the difficulties to her right away.

I agree about unisex restrooms but the designation of gender soley on what organ you have between your legs seems too simplistic. If you have a kid who feels, acts, and looks (clothed) like a girl, why should we still treat the kid like a boy?

[EGross]

Because he is a boy.

If we changed the argument from gender to race, it should appear just as ludicrous. If someone lies about his physical appearance and claims he is Jesus, we would be all over him. Buf if someone lies about his appearence and says he is a gender that he isn't, that is the new normal?

Just because his parents are living on the planet "woo-woo" doesn't meant that the rest of the world has to go with it.

He wants to wear a dress and play with dolls? That's ok. He's a cross-dressing boy who likes dolls.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Because he is a boy.

If we changed the argument from gender to race, it should appear just as ludicrous. If someone lies about his physical appearance and claims he is Jesus, we would be all over him. Buf if someone lies about his appearence and says he is a gender that he isn't, that is the new normal?

Just because his parents are living on the planet "woo-woo" doesn't meant that the rest of the world has to go with it.

He wants to wear a dress and play with dolls? That's ok. He's a cross-dressing boy who likes dolls.

You're committing the appeal to definition fallacy. Just because the boys bathroom nowadays is defined as the place where humans with penises go doesn't mean it should be defined that way.

This is not unlike how fundies say gay marriage is wrong because marriage is "defined as between a man and a woman."

[EGross]

Wrong.

When it comes to a 6 year old we are not talking about his sexual desires. We are talking about how he likes to dress up and play, and his parents are pushing a fantasy agenda "Pssst, don't call him a him". The bathroom is being used because it is the only point they can push because the school is living in a reality they don't want to share. They can't sue because the teacher refuses to use the feminin pronoun.

This really is not about the kid at all. He is their plaything. A 6 year old who has no sexual fetish, but just likes dolls and dressup.

[CapnAwesome]

Fine, then I'm Jesus Christ, because I say so. And nobody can say I am not!

Note that I said "to me," not "by me." You're actually ridiculing other atheists.

In that other thread I was criticized for saying that terms such as man, woman, male and female were tied to biology. Atheists say the same thing in this thread, and no complaints. Go figure.

I actually thought of coming to your defense in that thread, but then remembered how you consistently act like a douche.

[EGross]

My 3 year old Grandson really wanted to be a Kohen (biologically, he cannot be one). He got the clothes, did the stuff, and would hang out with other Kohanim, adults who thought it was cute, but everyone knew it was his play choice and had nothing to do with reality. That was 8 months ago. Now he wants to be a Jedi Knight. He has the clothes, knows the moves, and people think it's cute, but nobody really believes that he is a Jedi. Providing he doesn't start talking like Yoda, the parents will humor him, but they don't sue anyone to force some odd reality onto others. It is reasonable to tell kids the truth, even if they are play acting.

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Note that I said "to me," not "by me." You're actually ridiculing other atheists.

In that other thread I was criticized for saying that terms such as man, woman, male and female were tied to biology. Atheists say the same thing in this thread, and no complaints. Go figure.

I actually thought of coming to your defense in that thread, but then remembered how you consistently act like a douche.

Gee, I thought I had made my response clear that I knew it was not from you and was answering and answer. Sorry about the douching.

Big hugs all away around!

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Wrong.

When it comes to a 6 year old we are not talking about his sexual desires. We are talking about how he likes to dress up and play, and his parents are pushing a fantasy agenda "Pssst, don't call him a him". The bathroom is being used because it is the only point they can push because the school is living in a reality they don't want to share. They can't sue because the teacher refuses to use the feminin pronoun.

This really is not about the kid at all. He is their plaything. A 6 year old who has no sexual fetish, but just likes dolls and dressup.

And you know this how? Transgendered adults will often tell you that they felt being in the wrong gender from early on. It didn't just hit them at 13.


And since when is transgenderism a "fetish"?

[EGross]

In the Phsychological world, when you apply the need to wear things that are not considered a societal norm (like men wearing womens underwear), it is called a "fetish". For a 6-year old, I would never consider it as one, but since you are attaching it to a sexual connection repeatedly, then the term reasonably applies.

Cross-dresser's normally, while presenting a lie, do not deny the truth. Those who hide are subject to fetishism, while those who do not, are excluded.

But since there is no reason in thie thread, I'll just let it die.

[John V]

I actually thought of coming to your defense in that thread, but then remembered how you consistently act like a douche.

Fair enough.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

In the Phsychological world, when you apply the need to wear things that are not considered a societal norm (like men wearing womens underwear), it is called a "fetish". For a 6-year old, I would never consider it as one, but since you are attaching it to a sexual connection repeatedly, then the term reasonably applies.

But since there is no reason in thie thread, I'll just let it die.

You are confusing the obsession of a specific object that would make one sexually aroused with the use of objects like clothing that would communicate the person's identity. The former is for the purpose of sex, the latter is for the purpose of identity.