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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 9:49 pm
(November 4, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Science Wrote: Good day,
I am new to these forums, therefore I have a hefty amount of things rolling around in my mind that need discussion .. allow me to start with this.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Right, so the first 10 words into the bible .. and there is thousands of questions unanswered already.
Who is god ? according to Him; "The alpha and omega, the beginning and end of all things. I am"
Quote:.. How did he create the heavens and the earth ?
according to the bible He spoke and bang it was. According to you (science) it all just happened with a Big Bang. [/code]Kinda like what the bible says just without direction from God. So when I say the same way you think it happened I am speaking to the mechanics and not the root cause. (Which you/science can't seem to agree on)
Quote:Who created god ? ..
'creation' means one is tied to linear time. God was before time, therefore was not created, nor needs a creator.
Quote:I would really like to hear some words from someone who believes in genesis. I have no idea how anyone could possibly find this a feasible beginning to the beauty of life.
Let's start with reading.
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm
How did I know Huggy was going to bring up Coral Castle?
I must be precognizant
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(November 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Beccs Wrote: Quoting myself:
"No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power."
So you would agree that scientists, as of right now, can't explain these devices/methods?
Since it's apparent that you're not going to answer the question, I'll take your silence as a "yes"
(November 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Luckie Wrote: How did I know Huggy was going to bring up Coral Castle?
I must be precognizant
Don't kid yourself, you didn't know....
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2014 at 10:10 pm by The Valkyrie.)
(November 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you would agree that scientists, as of right now, can't explain these devices/methods?
Since it's apparent that you're not going to answer the question, I'll take your silence as a "yes"
Don't try to speak for me, you're not qualified to do so.
My answer: no.
(November 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Luckie Wrote: How did I know Huggy was going to bring up Coral Castle?
I must be precognizant
Are you a goddess?
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Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm
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(November 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Beccs Wrote: (November 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since it's apparent that you're not going to answer the question, I'll take your silence as a "yes"
Don't try to speak for me, you're not qualified to do so.
My answer: no.
I anxiously await your explanation...
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm
The thing is everything in the the universe has a cause and an effect, yes? Say this happens because of this, no?
Well you can say this steak I am eating right now came from a cow. Which came from the store. Which came from the butcher. Which came from the farm. And so on and so on. But eventually you will say where did the universe come from.
Then that's when God comes in. Because He only logical answer to the creation of the universe is some one created it (set the dominos into motion.) . And that my friend is God.
But let me ask you this who is God? Well by this I am trying to show that God is the unmoved mover nothing set him in motion He set the universe into motion. Ulitmently leading up to my steak. You see we can't have have something come from nothing it just does not work that way.
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:13 pm
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(November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Beccs Wrote: Don't try to speak for me, you're not qualified to do so.
My answer: no.
I anxiously await your explanation...
Already given, you just don't want to accept.
(November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Saint Peters Cross Wrote: The thing is everything in the the universe has a cause and an effect, yes? Say this happens because of this, no?
Well you can say this steak I am eating right now came from a cow. Which came from the store. Which came from the butcher. Which came from the farm. And so on and so on. But eventually you will say where did the universe come from.
Then that's when God comes in. Because He only logical answer to the creation of the universe is some one created it (set the dominos into motion.) . And that my friend is God.
But let me ask you this who is God? Well by this I am trying to show that God is the unmoved mover nothing set him in motion He set the universe into motion. Ulitmently leading up to my steak. You see we can't have have something come from nothing it just does not work that way.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:18 pm
(November 4, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Beccs Wrote: (November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I anxiously await your explanation...
Already given, you just don't want to accept.
And I pointed out how your explanation was nonsense by the simple fact that a single guy was able to accomplish the same thing the ancient Egyptians did.
Just for the record, please explain how one guy can cut, transport and lift a 30 ton stone.
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:19 pm
(November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Saint Peters Cross Wrote: The thing is everything in the the universe has a cause and an effect, yes? Say this happens because of this, no?
Well you can say this steak I am eating right now came from a cow. Which came from the store. Which came from the butcher. Which came from the farm. And so on and so on. But eventually you will say where did the universe come from.
Then that's when God comes in. Because He only logical answer to the creation of the universe is some one created it (set the dominos into motion.) . And that my friend is God.
But let me ask you this who is God? Well by this I am trying to show that God is the unmoved mover nothing set him in motion He set the universe into motion. Ulitmently leading up to my steak. You see we can't have have something come from nothing it just does not work that way.
OK. So where did god come from?
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RE: Can someone explain this to me ? Genesis 1.
November 4, 2014 at 10:19 pm
(November 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Saint Peters Cross Wrote: The thing is everything in the the universe has a cause and an effect, yes? Say this happens because of this, no?
The fact that you'll go on to propose something that violates this demonstrates that you don't actually believe it to be true.
Quote:Well you can say this steak I am eating right now came from a cow. Which came from the store. Which came from the butcher. Which came from the farm. And so on and so on. But eventually you will say where did the universe come from.
Then that's when God comes in. Because He only logical answer to the creation of the universe is some one created it (set the dominos into motion.) . And that my friend is God.
Okay, so first of all, you haven't offered any justification for this idea at all. You've just asserted it. Without any evidence, you might as well have just said that Ben the sentient space walrus created the universe.
Additionally, your religious views section says Catholic, yet at best your argument "supports" a deistic god, and not the specifically catholic christian god. Can't you defend what you actually believe, that you have to just blandly assert this vanilla god?
Quote:But let me ask you this who is God? Well by this I am trying to show that God is the unmoved mover nothing set him in motion He set the universe into motion. Ulitmently leading up to my steak. You see we can't have have something come from nothing it just does not work that way.
Look, you can't say "something can't come from nothing" literally a sentence after saying that you believe in a being that came from nothing.
Drich Wrote:according to the bible He spoke and bang it was. According to you (science) it all just happened with a Big Bang. [/code]Kinda like what the bible says just without direction from God.
The big bang does not describe the creation of the universe from nothing. How long have you been here, that you still don't understand extremely basic concepts?
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