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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 4, 2015 at 8:03 am
(May 3, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: (May 3, 2015 at 10:38 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Oh! I get it! It's because you say so!
OP, you do realize there are 39,000 sects of Christianity? At least 20 different followings of Judaism? More than 20 in Islam? All Abrahamic religions... but what about those who are non-denominational? Those who say they have the "correct" interpretation of the Bible or other holy book number pretty much all of those people involved in all of those different sects?
In other words: why are you right, and they're all wrong? Why are you the special snowflake?
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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 4, 2015 at 8:13 am
Oooh, he's gonna burn in Hell for that one!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 4, 2015 at 8:45 am
(May 3, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: The Hebrew verb consists of two different states. The perfect state indicates an action which is complete, whereas the imperfect state indicates a continuous or incomplete action. Anytime someone uses the difference in language to explain a particular interpretation of a Bible passage, I am reminded that according to that same Bible, it was god who confused man's languages and is therefore directly responsible for the diversity of language in the world. That means that any confusion over the wording of any passage or text is god's fault; he could've made it so that languages were perfectly consistent with one another to avoid any such misunderstanding or misinterpretation. But he didn't. He also could've "inspired" the writers to write more clearly and with more detail, but he didn't. It's almost as if he wanted the Bible to be an indecipherable mess so that he could watch humanity stumble over itself trying to make sense of it. Or if, you know... he didn't exist and it was just a bunch of stories written by ordinary people inspired by nothing more than their imaginations.
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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 4, 2015 at 8:52 am
He could have inspired a new language that everyone immediately always understood, and which couldn't be altered once written.
If he's omnipotent of course. Sock boy here was playing the nomni angle, which is more defensible, I'll give him that.
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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 4, 2015 at 9:36 am
(May 3, 2015 at 10:15 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: ... The Bible doesn't present God as omniscient...
Job 36:
3 I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.
Psalm 147:
5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
1 John 3:
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
Of course, given the batshit crazy interpretations of the opening post, we can expect you to believe that these mean something other than what they state.
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RE: The Real Bible: Genesis Chapter 1
May 6, 2015 at 7:01 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2015 at 7:07 am by Hatshepsut.)
(May 3, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: The Hebrew verb consists of two different states.
I rather thought Hebrew verbs did that "seven binyanim" thing. The principles of consonantal roots and gemination applied in common with Egyptian. The verbal system had a causative and a stative, also found in Egyptian but not in Indo-European languages, where for instance in English the past participle and passive are the closest equivalents: We say "the table is set," a state of affairs resulting from a previous action.
Yet as hard as Egyptian be with 19+ grammatical forms for its verb, Hebrew is even worse. I don't know any Hebrew, only that Egyptian borrowed a few words and constructions from it, hence referral to the primers below. The difficulty of Hebrew has made a mess of rendering the Old Testament in English. A fair amount of what we think the bible says based on reading English versions is either misleading or plain wrong, and we have no idea what many of its passages really meant.
The creation models are similar in Egypt and Canaan: Begin with a universe filled with water (instead of empty space). Blow a big air bubble in this infinite flood. That creates a dome, with "waters above the firmament divided from the waters below" and conveniently explains why the sky is blue: It's a water surface (upside down) on which Ra, the sun god, sails in his day boat. (Demote the celestial bodies if you're following the Elohim or Yahweh.) Finally, land emerges from the "waters below" and becomes clothed with vegetation for cattle and people to enjoy. Khnum Yahwheh shapes the first men and women first man from wet clay on a potter's wheel dust into which he breathes life. Voila!
Washington.edu http://depts.washington.edu/bibheb/files/VerbStems.pdf
Tzion.org http://tzion.org/devarim/The%20Seven%20Binyanim.pdf
I think it was the Norse who had that noun "banhammer." 
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