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Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?

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Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 16, 2015 at 7:39 pm (This post was last modified: May 16, 2015 at 7:50 pm by Randy Carson.)
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm (This post was last modified: May 16, 2015 at 8:25 pm by Nope.)
Angels in heaven who were daily exposed to god still rebelled and yet you think humans will not.

Do you not think the rebellion of angels was evil?
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 16, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Quote:I do.



[Jesus] replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.


From the Catechism:

That just makes you a brainwashed dope.
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 6:25 am (This post was last modified: May 17, 2015 at 6:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 16, 2015 at 10:06 am)Hatshepsut Wrote:
(May 16, 2015 at 8:57 am)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, the counter doesn't actually address the statement....so calling it a counter is a bit of an exaggeration, I think.
(May 16, 2015 at 9:01 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't know why anyone needs testing or rewarding. He's just fucking around for his own amusement. Well, I'm not amused.

I think the question of whether merit, or earned status, exists in a "benevolent" world is quite legitimate. Americans generally consider "advancing from humble beginnings to success through hard work" a great virtue. Sure, the Horatio Alger myth glosses over a lot of the rigid class structure actually seen in the USA, yet a society without incentives stagnates. As eastern Europe did back in the Warsaw Pact days, when the shelves in the store were all empty, except that one bin that had a glut of shoddy boots.

Because I'm not an authority on God, I don't know whether deity tests people or not. In some theologies, it does, in others, it refrains. Some of the tests which have been postulated over the years are clearly petty or cruel. The truth of that still doesn't affect how we humans do seem to get stronger and more competent by overcoming challenges. We don't get physically fit by sitting on our rumps. Which means I'd better get out for my walk today, as soon as it stops raining....  Wink
Sure, merit, earned status, all important things to wonder about, to opine upon...however, none of that will change the brute fact that -if- someone believes that there is a heaven, this is simply not the best possible world, end of.  Unless they think heaven blows....of course.   That's why it's not so much a counter as a meandering away from a gordian knot.
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 8:08 am
loved that star trek episode ...if memory serves, the woman in question was none other than a very young and beautiful Joan Collins..
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 9:43 am
(May 16, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I do.



[Jesus] replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.


From the Catechism:

That just makes you a brainwashed dope.

You are quite an ambassador for atheism and this forum, Min. Truly.  Rolleyes
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 9:54 am
(May 17, 2015 at 9:43 am)Randy Carson Wrote:
(May 16, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That just makes you a brainwashed dope.

You are quite an ambassador for atheism and this forum, Min. Truly.  Rolleyes

Here is a hypothetical if angels did rebel against a all loving god if god was truly all loving they would have no reason to exactly heaven.
In other words Lucifer and the angels know god on a personal level than humans so they would good reason to rebel.

But and again angels and demons not original to christianity neither is satan. 

The bible isn't true its just a compilation of other mythologies.  
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 1:35 pm
(May 17, 2015 at 9:54 am)dyresand Wrote: But and again angels and demons not original to christianity neither is satan. 
I would say just not unique. That other religions might be referencing the same reality.

(May 17, 2015 at 9:54 am)dyresand Wrote: The bible isn't true its just a compilation of other mythologies.
The second biography of Abraham Lincoln can be just as true as the first, just more comprehensive. You're just making assertion because you want them to be true.
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(May 17, 2015 at 1:35 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 17, 2015 at 9:54 am)dyresand Wrote: But and again angels and demons not original to christianity neither is satan. 
I would say just not unique. That other religions might be referencing the same reality.  


(May 17, 2015 at 9:54 am)dyresand Wrote: The bible isn't true its just a compilation of other mythologies.
The second biography of Abraham Lincoln can be just as true as the first, just more comprehensive. You're just making assertion because you want them to be true.

Yeah most of the bible is comprised from other mythologies.

Flood myth Epic Of Gilgamesh 

Hell - Egyptian book of the dead

jesus - Zeus, Horus, Mithras etc

Creation Beginning etc - Ripped off of greek mythology 

There is just too much that is ripped off to even find anything original

Even this

Yaweh - Brahma 

There is too much too call it a coincidence i say what i say with proof

Granted i can say their maybe be something original in there but character wise stories etc no they are no original. 
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RE: Perfect, Best of Possible, or Better than Nothing: Which criterion?
May 17, 2015 at 3:37 pm
I think you misunderstood.
Gilgamesh - describes same event from a different perspective.
Egyptian Book of the Dead - Refers to the same place.
Jesus was foreshadowed in the mythology of the pagans.
Creation myths - the Greeks version isn't even close.
Brahma versus YHVH - that's plausible but its a real stretch.
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