Islam is the real deal

[pocaracas]

Which?

If I told you, you would not believe me. "It's all bullshit."  So what is the point to tell you it.

So that I may try to make you understand why I think "it's all bullshit".
If they are real god-given pieces of information, then why did they require 20th century science to bring to light?
Was god just playing with us?

[robvalue]

The Qur'an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.

Of course the Qur'an is not a book of science.These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur'an is the word of God.

If you don't want believe it, then don't and ignore it.

Nope. I already covered this in detail. Even if it contains incredible information, that does not tell you where the information came from. That needs demonstrating too.

If I do a magic trick you can't explain, I don't get to say I did it by telekinesis.

This seems to be one of the last bastions of apologetics, particular Islam. I'm thinking of naming it:

The wow fallacy. If someone or something can suitably impress you, then you'll believe anything else it/they have to say.

As in: Wow! The author of this book has impressed me a lot with all these amazing facts, and it's hard for me to understand how he could have known them. Therefor, I'll believe without question his explanation as to where the facts came from. God, fine. Magic toad, fine. Temporal vortex, fine. Whatever he says is true.

Wow, that guy over there just walked on water! When he says he's an alien/human hybrid and he's 3,000 years old, I better believe him!

Wow, that guy said he was going to come back to life in 3 days, and he did! Therefor I'll believe anything he says about being the son of god and so on.

Sorry, doesn't work like that. Not for people who care about any sort of intellectual rigour, anyway. If you get to the stage where you will believe anything the book/person has to say, you will literally believe anything. See the problem?

[Thumpalumpacus]

That is the funniest post I've seen in a long time.

[aishatbh95]

I'm not saying you must believe in it , but there are miracles in the Qur'an. I'm not a scientist nor a perfect Muslim who knows everything about the Islam . I can consult Internet resources. But if you really want to know it, read a lot about the Islam and the Koran , and then compare it with the science. Then you'll believe it or think it's still bullshit, but don't waste your time on this pointless discussion.

[robvalue]

OK, it's bullshit. I explained why. Feel free to address my arguments. Just repeating yourself isn't going to convince anyone. There's miracles in Lord of the Rings, too. Gandalf comes back from the dead!

This is a discussion forum, not a preaching platform.

[pocaracas]

I'm not saying you must believe in it , but there are miracles in the Qur'an. I'm not a scientist nor a perfect Muslim who knows everything about the Islam . I can consult Internet resources. But if you really want to know it, read a lot about the Islam and the Koran , and then compare it with the science. Then you'll believe it or think it's still bullshit, but don't waste your time on this pointless discussion.

You started it!
And that's what we're here on this forum for: wasting time with pointless discussions.
Some of us get some education along the way.
You could take advantage of that potential for education.

[aishatbh95]

Whatever [SMIRKING FACE]

[JesusHChrist]

I'm not saying you must believe in it , but there are miracles in the Qur'an. I'm not a scientist nor a perfect Muslim who knows everything about the Islam . I can consult Internet resources. But if you really want to know it, read a lot about the Islam and the Koran , and then compare it with the science. Then you'll believe it or think it's still bullshit, but don't waste your time on this pointless discussion.

There are miracles in many works of fiction. So what?

I have read many of these supposed claims and none stand up to scrutiny. All have been vague, post-hoc explanations, no better than a horoscope saying "today, beware as something bad will happen!" Which could be anything from a hangnail to getting cancer. 

Why don't you pick the one, best example and show all us infidel scum how great this Mo man and his invisible god are? If it's so awesome, this ought to be easy to do.

[robvalue]

Whatever [SMIRKING FACE]

The thing you have to understand about God is that he's dead. Whatever he used to do, he's done now. So best not worry about it. Worry about the real people and animals in the world.

He's dead, done, gone, snuffed it and won't even explode my head to shut me up.

You guys don't believe in Islam because of this scientific facts business. If you want an interesting discussion, tell us the real reason you think Islam is true.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not saying you must believe in it , but there are miracles in the Qur'an.

No, there aren't, and I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to demonstrate any miracles to prove me wrong. If you could, you already would've. [/quote]

I'm not a scientist nor a perfect Muslim who knows everything about the Islam . I can consult Internet resources. But if you really want to know it, read a lot about the Islam and the Koran , and then compare it with the science. Then you'll believe it or think it's still bullshit, but don't waste your time on this pointless discussion.

It's pointless only because you and your fellow djinn worshiper make grandiose claims which you are incapable of backing up. If you could summon up a single shred of the truth in these claims there'd be a great deal to discuss, but you haven't...so there isn't. It's entirely within your power to change the framework of this discussion, so what's keeping you from doing that, rather than bitching about it's pointlessness?