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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 10, 2015 at 7:07 pm
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(November 10, 2015 at 11:13 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Some say the moon will split when the Day of Judgement comes, others may say it was an optical illusion and, others still, take Muhammad splitting the moon as a literal event that has already happened. There is no consensus amoungst believers. You have people like DawahMan who try to argue that the Chinese saw that Muhammad did split the moon (and I believe I linked to that Facebook post previously on Atheist Forums) but he's not the only one. For example, here we see people misrepresenting a photograph of the moon, and claiming the moon has been split.
People will always have different opinions. The Ummah is also filled with lots of "innocent & simple minded" believers, who clench to anything even if it was an image like the one above.
It's why I always despise Muslim missionaries and Imams who used those cheap tricks to keep people believing.
If we left it to the Quran, with the technology we have today, the verse can be seriously considered if we took The Fission Theory.
The hour (judgement day) did become near, once the moon was split from earth.
The arabic word "انشق" do mean literally "split".
That's my theory.
But saying that mohammed did it, is plainly based on the Hadith.
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Rob, that argument is plain cheap, I'm sorry.
It's not even irritating.
About the Jews, that was just another example, because if we want to go through this loop, it'll be a never ending debate.
"Do you believe he was a pedophile"?
"YES ! Bukhari said so ! I'm an atheist Sunna !!".
"Okay, do you believe he split the moon, based on the same source" ?
"NO !! I'm just an atheist !! I'm not a Sunni !"
"Okay, do you believe he treated Jews nice" ?
"I told you I'm an Atheist !!!"
"Okay, didn't you believe -like many sunnies- that he was a pedophile based on their own sources ? "........
About why you should care, I'm not a missionary, actually I have no power, control, responsibility upon you, I'm just discussing things. Ask yourself why any of us should care.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm
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The Saudis won't admit it, but they are doing more damage than the Western media could ever do. If someone recites Shahada on flimsy pretenses and then realize that they've been lied to then their Iman will go through the floor and no amount of Du'as will save them. Yet these Fascists who work for al-Saud, and who come to Western streets, don't care about lies.
This is the sort of thing I prefer to see; simply raising awareness (not like the aggressive pathological liars with a Fascist mindset that Saudi pays for like Zaki Naik and others):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6tMRRWyus
As we're on the subject of strange claims, do you have anything to say about ants communicating verbally with King Solomon (Quran 27;18)? This is a curious story I found in my Quran. I am very confused by this story because ants can't verbalize their communication. Does only Allah know?
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 10, 2015 at 9:00 pm
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Atlas: What argument is cheap? I don't know which post you're referring to.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm
(November 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: The Saudis won't admit it, but they are doing more damage than the Western media could ever do. If someone recites Shahada on flimsy pretenses and then realize that they've been lied to then their Iman will go through the floor and no amount of Du'as will save them. Yet these Fascists who work for al-Saud, and who come to Western streets, don't care about lies.
This is the sort of thing I prefer to see; simply raising awareness (not like the aggressive pathological liars with a Fascist mindset that Saudi pays for like Zaki Naik and others):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6tMRRWyus
As we're on the subject of strange claims, do you have anything to say about ants communicating verbally with King Solomon (Quran 27;18)? This is a curious story I found in my Quran. I am very confused by this story because ants can't verbalize their communication. Does only Allah know?
Indeed, the negative effects of their media did hit lots of the kingdom's citizens (the country is full of atheists).
The Wahhabi school was never good at spreading its ideas, without paying bribes from the mountains of cash they have, Wahhabism woulnt've spread for an inch outside the kingdom.
Through their history, they knew no other language but aggressiveness. The language in the video you posted is something "alien and foreign" to the Wahhabi school.
About Solomon's story, the communication wasn't specified as being verbal.
Creatures communicate, but we can't understand their way, language or speech, Solomon on the other was able to.
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Accusing the prophet of being a pedophile.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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If your boy diddled kids he diddled kids. It's not a cheap argument, it's not an argument at all, he's just a cheap role model. The budget version of a pious man and a pious life. I'm not diddling kids...so unless Mo had something else going for him.......why would I give a shit about the moral proclamations of some dirtbag who diddled kids?
This shouldn't be a difficult question. Either the answer is easy at hand or there simply is no answer. There's no gotcha moment here, has nothing to do with whether or not some god existed, nada....just wondering, why I.....would take advice, from Mo?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm
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(November 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If your boy diddled kids he diddled kids. It's not a cheap argument, it's not an argument at all, he's just a cheap role model. The budget version of a pious man and a pious life. I'm not diddling kids...so unless Mo had something else going for him.......why would I give a shit about the moral proclamations of some dirtbag who diddled kids?
This shouldn't be a difficult question. Either the answer is easy at hand or there simply is no answer. There's no gotcha moment here, has nothing to do with whether or not some god existed, nada....just wondering, why I.....would take advice, from Mo?
We're not speaking about your will to care or not, just don't quote historical sources before validating how honest they are. Because when you do that, you did not differ a tiny bit from the Muslim Sunnies/Shia you criticize, who believe those books just like you believe them.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm
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(November 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Indeed, the negative effects of their media did hit lots of the kingdom's citizens (the country is full of atheists).
The Wahhabi school was never good at spreading its ideas, without paying bribes from the mountains of cash they have, Wahhabism woulnt've spread for an inch outside the kingdom.
Through their history, they knew no other language but aggressiveness. The language in the video you posted is something "alien and foreign" to the Wahhabi school.
About Solomon's story, the communication wasn't specified as being verbal.
Creatures communicate, but we can't understand their way, language or speech, Solomon on the other was able to. Your statement about Atheism in Saudi is both surprising and not surprising. How is this possible? We all have a moral duty to stop using oil, ifnot for the environment, then to stop the spread of lies. Qatar is big on Abul Wahaab too. Like you allude to, without money the Fascism cannot spread. The video I posted is, obviously, not loons shouting in the streets - which I hate. Then again, the Jehovah Witnesses I've seen in the street are also non-aggressive, quiet and unassuming but people in the know will stay well clear of them. Mormons don't seem to like to be aggressive either but, again, they are extremely dangerous. I am sure we can all agree that the ancient Israelites did not travel to North America.
Edit: I just went on the Islam Plymouth (where the video is from) website, and it turns out even they are spreading Saudi lies. How can decent people like that be so corrupted? An embryo is not a leech! How many times do people have to be educated?
If the ants were not communicating verbally then how were they communicating? Can you please explain how ants can communicate with humans? Ants can talk to each other, and this is an argument I've heard Wahaabis use to justify the verse, but not in a language someone of King Solomon's time could understand.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 12, 2015 at 9:49 am
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(November 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: We're not speaking about your will to care or not, just don't quote historical sources before validating how honest they are. Because when you do that, you did not differ a tiny bit from the Muslim Sunnies/Shia you criticize, who believe those books just like you believe them.
I'm entirely unmoved, in a discussion regarding islam, with some comment about validating the honesty of "historical sources". Did anyone validate Mo's talk /w the angels?
Clearly, this validation business doesn't matter much, until, all of a sudden and with great convenience, it does. Remind me again that we're serious people having a serious conversation about a serious subject, I just keep forgetting......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 12, 2015 at 8:43 pm
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(November 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Indeed, the negative effects of their media did hit lots of the kingdom's citizens (the country is full of atheists).
The Wahhabi school was never good at spreading its ideas, without paying bribes from the mountains of cash they have, Wahhabism woulnt've spread for an inch outside the kingdom.
Through their history, they knew no other language but aggressiveness. The language in the video you posted is something "alien and foreign" to the Wahhabi school.
About Solomon's story, the communication wasn't specified as being verbal.
Creatures communicate, but we can't understand their way, language or speech, Solomon on the other was able to. Your statement about Atheism in Saudi is both surprising and not surprising. How is this possible? We all have a moral duty to stop using oil, ifnot for the environment, then to stop the spread of lies. Qatar is big on Abul Wahaab too. Like you allude to, without money the Fascism cannot spread. The video I posted is, obviously, not loons shouting in the streets - which I hate. Then again, the Jehovah Witnesses I've seen in the street are also non-aggressive, quiet and unassuming but people in the know will stay well clear of them. Mormons don't seem to like to be aggressive either but, again, they are extremely dangerous. I am sure we can all agree that the ancient Israelites did not travel to North America.
Edit: I just went on the Islam Plymouth (where the video is from) website, and it turns out even they are spreading Saudi lies. How can decent people like that be so corrupted? An embryo is not a leech! How many times do people have to be educated?
If the ants were not communicating verbally then how were they communicating? Can you please explain how ants can communicate with humans? Ants can talk to each other, and this is an argument I've heard Wahaabis use to justify the verse, but not in a language someone of King Solomon's time could understand.
Some estimates, go further to rank the kingdom's citizens as the top in atheist race in the Middle East; let's be honest : when Imams preach about "hating the Kuffar" on friday then the next day you see the Saudi king handshaking western leaders, it got to has a terrible shock on the people, and that's the tip of the ice berg.
About the video, I told you before that Sunnies & Wahhabies too learned to practice Taqyia. Saudies themselves are rough and violent, but people from other places who practice the same faith, have no issue in practicing "Soft ways" to get supporters. I should've known when I saw the big huge beards..
About the ants, this article has some info :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant#Communication
Solomon didn't reply to the ant; the verse actually just referred to him understanding it. Ants have sophisticated communication system.
Quoting from the same article :
Quote:Ants use pheromones for more than just making trails. A crushed ant emits an alarm pheromone that sends nearby ants into an attack frenzy and attracts more ants from farther away. Several ant species even use "propaganda pheromones" to confuse enemy ants and make them fight among themselves.[
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Quote:Some ants produce sounds by stridulation, using the gaster segments and their mandibles. Sounds may be used to communicate with colony members or with other species.[75][76]
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My belief, is that Solomon had the means (technological) to interpret what they used to say. Maybe you've guessed it, I'm a believer of the theory of ancient cultures having advanced tech.
Not ancient aliens; though.
Rythem
It only matters, when your whole stream of "arguments" against a certain faith is based on it.
Yet, you negate what you previously believed and built upon, to deliver an attack on the fait. An attack you can't resist, it's so tempting (this pedophile argument)
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RE: The real message of Islam.
November 12, 2015 at 8:46 pm
(November 12, 2015 at 8:43 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Maybe you've guessed it, I'm a believer of the theory of ancient cultures having advanced tech.
Not ancient aliens; though.
Of course; that would be silly, wouldn't it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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