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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 8:27 am
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(June 16, 2016 at 7:16 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: --I don't believe that 'absolute truth' exists, and the burden of proof would be on the person asserting that it does to demonstrate that it does. I believe we can have degrees of certainty based on evidence and logic. Human beings are inherently fallible, hence the need for science.--
How long have humans been testing reality ? You may want to be careful, I do test people with words sometimes to learn more about them, somethings are not always as they appear. We may agree goodwill is profitable in tests. It appears we agree that evidence and logic are useful things, another word, wisdom.
--If you are saying that there is a way to test and prove the existence of God, I look forward to reading about it on the front page of every newspaper and scientific journal in the world.--
I hope you don't want to be arrogant not that it's a large inconvenience to me if a person is. We may agree there may be times to leave the arrogant ones alone.
Have you ever looked in the Clementine Homilies, Chapter XX - Some Parts of the Old Testament Written to Try Us. ?
Thoughts about that of false things about God deliberately with malice put in The Bible.
Veritas Vincit, you may look at my answers above.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 8:32 am
An important point here is that it doesn't matter now whether Jesus died, didn't die, or even existed. People believe anyway.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:11 am
(June 15, 2016 at 11:10 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: (June 15, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yes, it is in Human nature to not want to be killed horribly. It's pretty gross and sad that blood and suffering is needed to put this god in a good enough mood to not inflict pain on the entirety of humanity, but I guess that's what happens when people in charge have no checks and balances.
Chad32,
It may be thought that it may be compared to the end of a war in which many people were sacrificed and that the people that survived were glad it's over but also feeling sorry about the loss of life.
I've noticed you trying to use a war analogy. The problem is that there's supposedly this omnipotent being that could solve the problem any way he wants, but prefers bloodshed and war. If this is how things are going, then it can only be because Yahweh prefers it this way. Which is why many accuse him of being evil, stupid, apathetic, or all of the above.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:28 am
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People describe it as a war because -they- prefer the context and imagery of a war (and particularly imagining themselves as participants or accomplices of the winning side despite having done nothing..themselves).
"Rah rah rah."
-Well, okay, here's your cross/gun - go do work.
"Ah, no, no I'm good".
Can't seem to find a christian who would nail the fucker up or help the schmuck down...but they're all bellied up to the trough just the same. It might be the laziest religion ever invented, which explains it's success -entirely-. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:33 am
(June 16, 2016 at 9:11 am)Chad32 Wrote: (June 15, 2016 at 11:10 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Chad32,
It may be thought that it may be compared to the end of a war in which many people were sacrificed and that the people that survived were glad it's over but also feeling sorry about the loss of life.
I've noticed you trying to use a war analogy. The problem is that there's supposedly this omnipotent being that could solve the problem any way he wants, but prefers bloodshed and war. If this is how things are going, then it can only be because Yahweh prefers it this way. Which is why many accuse him of being evil, stupid, apathetic, or all of the above.
Chad32,
How do you think Christians can love their enemies, become better people and people grow up/become better people by learning how to protect other people around them if god intervenes every time something evil happens ?
You may think of it as intervention through non-intervention.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:36 am
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 9:37 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 16, 2016 at 9:33 am)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 9:11 am)Chad32 Wrote: I've noticed you trying to use a war analogy. The problem is that there's supposedly this omnipotent being that could solve the problem any way he wants, but prefers bloodshed and war. If this is how things are going, then it can only be because Yahweh prefers it this way. Which is why many accuse him of being evil, stupid, apathetic, or all of the above.
Chad32,
How do you think Christians can love their enemies, become better people and people grow up/become better people by learning how to protect other people around them if god intervenes every time something evil happens ?
You may think of it as intervention through non-intervention.
Then why would God ever intervene at all. And how would you be able to tell when he did? Because Christians love calling things a 'miracle' or a 'blessing' or 'divine intervention.'
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:38 am
Why did got create enemies anyway?
Any why did he give them iron?
God is bad at war.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:39 am
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Hence the need for his chosen people, and the need to hire pagans to kill the other pagans. It was a prototypical outsourcing experiment.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 9:39 am
(June 16, 2016 at 9:33 am)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: How do you think Christians can love their enemies, become better people and people grow up/become better people by learning how to protect other people around them if god intervenes every time something evil happens ?
You may think of it as intervention through non-intervention.
Then how come christians hate their enemies and are generally sh*tty, immature people, who don't protect anybody? All they can do is talk bullsh*t. Seems like your god's "intervention through non-intervention" isn't working. Maybe it's time he got off his a*se and actually do something, once in a while, hmm?
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 10:00 am
(June 16, 2016 at 9:39 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 9:33 am)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: How do you think Christians can love their enemies, become better people and people grow up/become better people by learning how to protect other people around them if god intervenes every time something evil happens ?
You may think of it as intervention through non-intervention.
Then how come christians hate their enemies and are generally sh*tty, immature people, who don't protect anybody? All they can do is talk bullsh*t. Seems like your god's "intervention through non-intervention" isn't working. Maybe it's time he got off his a*se and actually do something, once in a while, hmm?
Homeless Nutter,
I'm thinking of posting some part of The Bible which you may see posted a number of times, maybe it won't be a problem if I post it again. You may look at it below.
1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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