Best Qur'an?

[CapnAwesome]

I'm not sure any translation can make the Qu'ran anything less then an extremely boring read.

The version of the Qu'ran that I read was a modern translation by Muslim Arabic authors. I thought the footnotes were very very apologetic to the point of possibly being misleading. There were footnotes to everything that sounded bad or stupid or horrific to explain what it actually meant, despite what it seemed to be translated as. To the point it was kind of humorous and if you knew the bible stories that it was ripped off of, you could see right through that. Mostly I thought it was just very boring and tedious.

Note, only 20% of Muslims speak arabic, so most people are dealing with translations. So when Muslims say 'you don't understand unless you speak Arabic' they are saying 80% of Muslims can't understand their own religion.

[account_inactive]

I'm not sure any translation can make the Qu'ran anything less then an extremely boring read.

The version of the Qu'ran that I read was a modern translation by Muslim Arabic authors. I thought the footnotes were very very apologetic to the point of possibly being misleading. There were footnotes to everything that sounded bad or stupid or horrific to explain what it actually meant, despite what it seemed to be translated as. To the point it was kind of humorous and if you knew the bible stories that it was ripped off of, you could see right through that. Mostly I thought it was just very boring and tedious.

Note, only 20% of Muslims speak arabic, so most people are dealing with translations. So when Muslims say 'you don't understand unless you speak Arabic' they are saying 80% of Muslims can't understand their own religion.

I'm actually surprised at that. Huh, you learn something new everyday.  

[The Valkyrie]

[RozKek]

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 There are no miracles with Mohammed; actually it was a topic of controversy between him & the Heathens of Mecca; they demanded "signs" and "miracles"; and the reply came decisive in the Quran:

( Sura 6 Verse 35 )   And if their evasion is difficult for you, then if you are able to seek a tunnel into the earth or a stairway into the sky to bring them a sign, [then do so]. But if Allah had willed, He would have united them upon guidance. So never be of the ignorant.

The Quran should be enough:

( Sura 29 Verse 50 )   But they say, "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a clear warner."
( 51 )   And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and reminder for a people who believe.

It's clear that Mohammed had no signs/miracles with him.

Another verse asserts the opinion:

( Sura 6 Verse 37 )   And they say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "Indeed, Allah is Able to send down a sign, but most of them do not know.

Ironically enough, another verse asserts this more and more:

( Sura 6 Verse 109 )   And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe.

Moreover, to prove this opinion more and more:

( Sura 17 Verse 59 )   And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.

So excuse me, but what signs are you discussing, exactly?


Sheed: the Sunni faith is masking the Quran, via advocating that Mohammed did come with miracles -such as cracking the moon (#note: the cracking of the moon in the Quran is only mentioned in this verse):

(Sura 54 Verse 1) The hour has came close and the moon was cracked

?Any mention of Mohammed cracking it? we already know in 2016, that the moon might be a part of earth that cracked and went astray to have its own orbit early in the history of the universe; a mere scary proof on how infinite and limitless and eternal God is; to him judgement day is near since....million of years..before we're even created..

Though Sheed; Sunna comes in to wreck your whole reasoning, and dictates that you -probably unintentionally-  to ignore clear Quranic verses to take Hadiths, that contradict every word God said in his book.

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Rozkek:

Your research missed lots of corners.

You missed everything when you started believing in the Qur'an without evidence. What did I miss? How the Qur'an is constructed to deceive people? Oh' forgive me.
When people start doubting it god goes: We'll I could show you evidence but I won't

Edit: Also, wasn't it you who made threads about these miracles? Now when they're debunked suddenly there are no miracles, but if god wanted to there would be? Why do you believe in the Qur'an when it has no evidence?

[RozKek]

Insha'allah I will never leave Allah's path of guidance. Islam is true teachings and worship of the Only true God alone which all Prophets pbut and their true followers worshiped as well. I fear Allah's wrath and torment and beg and pray for His mercy and reward. I'm sorry to hear u left Islam. But as u said u do u and I do me.

Even when there's no evidence at all to back your belief up? I feel sorry for you, Allah has struck fear so deep into you with his hell that you don't even dare to leave islam even when there's no evidence to back it up, when there's no threat.

[robvalue]

I don't get it.

"This book can be interpreted to tell us something we already know!"

OK. Try a science book, you'll be amazed. And you don't have to skip past stories about angels and splitting moons in half and such.

[RozKek]

I don't get it.

"This book can be interpreted to tell us something we already know!"

OK. Try a science book, you'll be amazed. And you don't have to skip past stories about angels and splitting moons in half and such.

It's ridiculous. Why don't they mention the scientific "miracles" before science does? If there really are scientific miracles in the Qur'an why don't scientists use the Qur'an as a valid source? 

The dumbest part is when they say "the moon was split in half and it was recently proven by science!!1!11" or "mountains prevent earthquakes blablabla" then when you go to google it up you don't see a single scientific article about it. Afterwards when you prove them wrong "Allah IS the One tru God, I tell U the Truth but u deny it, i hope Allah has mercy on Ur soul."

[WinterHold]

You missed everything when you started believing in the Qur'an without evidence. What did I miss? How the Qur'an is constructed to deceive people? Oh' forgive me.
When people start doubting it god goes: We'll I could show you evidence but I won't

Edit: Also, wasn't it you who made threads about these miracles? Now when they're debunked suddenly there are no miracles, but if god wanted to there would be? Why do you believe in the Qur'an when it has no evidence?

Not really.
Let's take this topic as an example -which I wrote-:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223.html

I may say in my defense, that I quoted a Quranic verse and projected it on reality, based on an article from the "Daily Mail"; see my small discussion with the member "Jenny":

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223-page-5.html

I admitted that I projected the verse and was rash in adapting the theory without enough of an evidence. But the throne of God is still -to me- on water, because the verse said so; "how" though is where I went to the "Daily Mail" for.. Honestly, I stated my utter regret.

And here, I got silenced by atheist members and it was a truly shaking experience:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-32041.html

Thank God I knew my mistakes, and learned to say: this is a projection I, and only I, state and take responsibility for.
Not like the Sunni/Shiite faiths which present to you these things as "miracles" and "facts" like the prophet cracking the moon.

As for the evidence, the universe is enough. Believe me, I see kittens as a miracle and a sign; orgasm and sex, food, weed, also fire and scorching heat, growing up in a deep dark hole, darkness and misery, happiness, stars, ...etc. 

Or let's say life itself instead of all this text? we grow old for a reason. To see, to learn. No, God is showing us signs and miracles every second. But we choose to close our eyes.

[The Grand Nudger]

A faithful man might tell you that you're worshiping the creation rather than the creator, in the above.  I'm no such man...lol, I understand.  There's enough wonder in this world for me as well, so I don't concern myself with djinn.  However, since you're in the mood of accepting what errors you may make in rationalization, you've just committed a couple more.

You've grossly equivocated upon the term miracle in order to set up a non-sequitur in which the existence of kittens somehow speaks to the truth of allah. It's a simple mistake that cheapens your faith and undermines it's basis as a rational proposition.

[RozKek]

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You missed everything when you started believing in the Qur'an without evidence. What did I miss? How the Qur'an is constructed to deceive people? Oh' forgive me.
When people start doubting it god goes: We'll I could show you evidence but I won't

Edit: Also, wasn't it you who made threads about these miracles? Now when they're debunked suddenly there are no miracles, but if god wanted to there would be? Why do you believe in the Qur'an when it has no evidence?

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 Not really.
Let's take this topic as an example -which I wrote-:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223.html

I may say in my defense, that I quoted a Quranic verse and projected it on reality, based on an article from the "Daily Mail"; see my small discussion with the member "Jenny":

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223-page-5.html

I admitted that I projected the verse and was rash in adapting the theory without enough of an evidence. But the throne of God is still -to me- on water, because the verse said so; "how" though is where I went to the "Daily Mail" for.. Honestly, I stated my utter regret.

And here, I got silenced by atheist members and it was a truly shaking experience:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-32041.html

Thank God I knew my mistakes, and learned to say: this is a projection I, and only I, state and take responsibility for.
Not like the Sunni/Shiite faiths which present to you these things as "miracles" and "facts" like the prophet cracking the moon.

As for the evidence, the universe is enough. Believe me, I see kittens as a miracle and a sign; orgasm and sex, food, weed, also fire and scorching heat, growing up in a deep dark hole, darkness and misery, happiness, stars, ...etc. 

Or let's say life itself instead of all this text? we grow old for a reason. To see, to learn. No, God is showing us signs and miracles every second. But we choose to close our eyes.

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It shouldn't have been a truly shaking experience. Look at it more as a learning experience.

The universe is evidence for god because it's cool?

Choose to close our eyes? Is thinking about why one believes and searching for evidence to close ones eyes?