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MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 1:00 pm by I_am_not_mafia.)
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm



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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:10 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 3:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I don't know that you can pay for half the nukes........particularly in light of your recent decisions......if we couldn't count on your subservience I doubt we'd rake you as generously as we do. Wink
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:13 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 11:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: The point of those subs isn't actually to be sneaky.  They're part of the whole MAD thing from the cold war...where you want the other guy to know that they exist, that even if you managed to obliterate their country in a massive, unilateral nuclear strike.....you're still going to get roasted yourself.  Defense isn't the word I'd use for that, because ostensibly, they won't be used in that capacity unless there's nothing left to defend in the first place.  I don;t know if they put doubts in the heart of the enemy, or whatever the official line about them might be..either.  Anyone who decides to nuke the UK is going to have bigger problems than 4 cheap ass ohio knock offs......

I think it's more a point of national pride, and of wanting to be at that table.

Sneaky, yes it is. It's not only that they exist but where they exist. Why do you think they travel/patrol clandestinely, location unknown? They become a non target threat.
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:25 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 3:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh, you've got a different idea for sneaky than I do.  We know where 3 of 4 of them are, at all times.....and we know that the fourth exists...and due to the nature of an icbm..it doesn't actually matter where it is. As far as non-target threats..if someone offs you, the US is probably the largest "non-target threat" that's going to retaliate on your behalf. These subs, altogether...are very literally one single undergunned US Ohio Class....and ofc there's no point in having these weapons unless people know that you have them. Just not alot of sneaking going on.

I just don't understand why the UK would spend that money, now of all times...on a cheaper, frankly...insignificant, version of what they can already count on. Why not use it to handle problems that actually are relevant to you..and let your friends do what they're good at in the first place? Let us waste -our- money on this shit...we have more money to waste....and we make better weapons (which is why you buy them from us).
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:26 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, you've got a different idea for sneaky than I do.  We know where 3 of 4 of them are, at all times.....and we know that the fourth exists...and due to the nature of an icbm..it doesn't actually matter where it is.

No shit.
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:37 pm
You know...we...as in the US, probably know where the fourth is too...just in case you need tech support on all that merchandise.
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:40 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You know...we...as in the US, probably know where the fourth is too...just in case you need tech support on all that merchandise.

Well done again, for stating the obvious.
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RE: MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system
July 19, 2016 at 3:45 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 3:45 pm by Excited Penguin.)
(July 19, 2016 at 5:59 am)Alex K Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 5:40 am)Mathilda Wrote: Patrols only started in 1994. Now we're going to spend 205 billion UKP to replace it.

Think what that 205 billion could do if it was invested in research and education. But no, we'll spend it on a useless weapon of mass destruction because it helps some politicians in Westminster wave their cocks around and feel better about their jobs.
The 205 billion or the equivalent could do great things, but is getting rid of the stockpile a viable global policy option right now?

Why wouldn't it be? Aside from rogue states acquiring them and remaining the only ones to have them, I see no potential downside. And this one could be managed if the necessary effort went into it, I imagine.
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