Medical Hope for "Brain Dead"

[Thumpalumpacus]

I mentioned your post in response to L.P. because he asked who me where Neo was being critisised. In response to him, i mentioned several posts. Yours was one of them, though I specified that while your post wasn't critical, it was condescending.

Im not taking sides. Just commenting on my observation here, and that is that you guys are proving his point which is using this thread to pick at him rather than comment on the topic at hand.

Maybe you'd take the time to understand why I was the way I was before taking to chiding me. It's only fair. If you're too lazy to do that much, then it appears your opinion is premature and ill-informed, and I have no compunction about pointing that out.

This will be my last reply to you on this matter.

[bennyboy]

Worst thing ever.

Now, every family with a brain-dead family member are going to want to string that body along for 20 goddamned years, despite the cost to the state.

[Edwardo Piet]

You also commented my posts. I didn't mention religion at all, but you took issue with my condescending tone without understanding why I take that tone with him.

Of course I'm going to tell you off at that point. When you don't know the whole story, it's unwise to take sides.

I mentioned your post in response to L.P. because he asked who me where Neo was being critisised. In response to him, i mentioned several posts. Yours was one of them, though I specified that while your post wasn't critical, it was condescending.

Im not taking sides. Just commenting on my observation here, and that is that you guys are proving his point which is using this thread to pick at him rather than comment on the topic at hand.

The thing is... we're not proving Neo's point. He's proving our point by STARTING with the shitty attitude when he's corrected when he's wrong about something. The point being that he'd rather bury is head in the sand which is rather clear when his attitude to being wrong about something is so shitty.

[Pat Mustard]

Oh ffs I messed up the quotes. Gah mobiles

Oops, replied to the wrong post. Read the one above the quoted post. That's what I was replying to

[Edwardo Piet]

And that the OP is so full of himself to acknowledge correction.

You absolutely fucking hit the nail on the head right there.

[The Grand Nudger]

Worst thing ever.

Now, every family with a brain-dead family member are going to want to string that body along for 20 goddamned years, despite the cost to the state.

Just like you're being strung along despite great cost to your state. 

Less jokingly, ofc they will..just like everybody wants their family member to be treated for x today. Unforunately, that doesn't happen.

[Edwardo Piet]

Obviously this is just a baby step, but it at least give hope for families with loved ones in a permanent vegetative state.

Guardian Article

Your supposition is a bit like saying you can cure a man's impotence by successfully setting his broken arm.

But then again this is the level you've set for yourself, deliberate mendacity in the service of your imaginary friend.

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You learnt something today. Ain't that a good thing?

It's Wooters, when was the last time he allowed the truth to derail his lying for jesus?

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You guys are kind of proving his point, to be honest...

How? By pointing out his lies?

If you cannot criticise somebody for lying, then how is anybody ever going to learn anything?

With all due respect... if only because you're a fantastic poster (one of my favorites on AF in fact!)... I wouldn't call him a liar. He often comes across as disingenuous but I wouldn't say he's necessarily an all out liar at all.

I tend to always refrain from calling people liars without evidence. Neo says things that are untrue B.S. all the time. Do I think he necessarily doesn't believe the shit he says? I'm not so sure. I can't really sincerely claim him to be a liar without feeling like I need evidence that he doesn't believe his own B.S. And how could I get evidence of that? Believing ridiculous shit when you're a theist is at least as likely, if not more likely, than not really believing it but lying about it. How the hell would I know what he 'really believes'?

Or maybe he doesn't believe it but he believes he believes it. Belief in Belief basically. But still... not exactly lying.

[Minimalist]

Yes, but it was done so with a snarky, condescending tone.

Why, thank you.  I strive to be the best!

[Edwardo Piet]

You're right, I didn't have a point. I just wanted to share an interesting article rather than start a debate. Maybe it would have been nice to discuss the necessary and sufficient conditions for consciousness suggested by the article or the medical ethics of terminating people with severely compromised brains.

Don't deflect.  "Fine, whatever" was the point you thought you had, when it wasn't.  

"Fine," as in, fine, you've made your nitpick. "Whatever," as in I don't care because the topic of the article is more interesting than whether I got some detail or definition wrong in the thread title.

If you personally want to stick to your guns, then so be it. I cannot have a rational discussion regarding the article if you cannot admit that you were wrong about comparing being "brain dead" to a "vegetative state".

It's hardly a nitpick when they're two completely different things.

Neo's next thread title will be titled "HELP! I SET MYSELF ON FIRE!" and then the OP is about how he started playing The Sims and forgot to level up his character's Cooking skill.

[Pat Mustard]

With all due respect... if only because you're a fantastic poster (one of my favorites on AF in fact!)... I wouldn't call him a liar. He often comes across as disingenuous but I wouldn't say he's necessarily an all out liar at all.

I tend to always refrain from calling people liars without evidence. Neo says things that are untrue B.S. all the time. Do I think he necessarily doesn't believe the shit he says? I'm not so sure. I can't really sincerely claim him to be a liar without feeling like I need evidence that he doesn't believe his own B.S. And how could I get evidence of that? Believing ridiculous shit when you're a theist is at least as likely, if not more likely, than not really believing it but lying about it. How the hell would I know what he 'really believes'?

Or maybe he doesn't believe it but he believes he believes it. Belief in Belief basically. But still... not exactly lying.

Nah, he's a liar. The title of this thread is proof enough of that. He deliberately changed "vegitative state" to "brain dead" to push his agenda. Anybody who was just posting an article for the value of said article would have left the wording alone.