God does not determine right and wrong

[Chad32]

Yeah. Unless you count natural disasters, with is a big like going at cancer with a hacksaw.

[Jackie]

Yeah, killing babies is never morally acceptable....

After birth certainly a fleetingly hard argument to make, not that there is any.

But in uterus, please, don't go there.

We cant bring up the infanticide of the Egyptian firstborn beef between God and the Pharaoh. Lets not mention the genocide of the flood if only one family is left over, and the population at the alleged time of the fictional flood, had to be in the millions if not billions. 

"Pro life" in the religious context is not "pro life" but merely "pro birth". Make more minions for the dear leader. 

Pro quality of life actually means caring about the stability of both the child and family after birth. The GOP attitude is "fuck you I got mine", which merely makes them pro birth.

[LadyForCamus]

Whoa.  Red herrings everywhere.  You’re “good by nature” god ordered the slaughter of babies.  Babies are innocent, whoever they came from.  Are you pro-life, or pro-choice, Banned?

You are a wonderful compassionate human being, and I react the same way that most people do to these stories in the Bible - with abhorrence...and questions.

But there is no point in telling anyone how much God grieves over people that ruin themselves to the point of being less than animals, because many people have already pre- judged God as evil, without a clue to what happened over centuries and to what extent evil had developed, and in what condition all life, babies and all, in such a society was - physically, mentally and spiritually.
The laws of heredity can be strong enough to predestine the character of the offspring.
The reason you and I cannot imagine such a thing is because we don't experience a lot of abhorrent crimes and we assume people are generally nice.
Unfortunately the world will become the hell hole that these ancient civilizations were, and until then we will probably not cry for justice and intervention.

People are far less tolerant of evil than God is.

The crime of the Amalekites wasn't dealt with until much later, but if we lived back then, and saw their society we would have begged God to wipe it out straight away and not years later.
But as I said, you and I are not exposed to this level of corruption yet.

Babies are innocent, does that mean that adult monsters should be saved, because they were once babies?

Bold mine. I’m saying that god shouldn’t order the murder of babies because...ya know...they’re babies. You’re making this a lot more complicated than it actually is.  I’ve never seen so many red herrings smashed into one post.  

Or should a God who knows their future decisions and character prevent them from existing? Or should he remove them from the earth and take them to heaven on resurrection day?

I can tell you what he shouldn’t do. Maybe, not order adult humans to murder the infants of other humans. It’s not that hard really. Pro-choice or pro-life, Banned? For the third time.

If it is any consolation, heaven will have millions of babies without their evil parents, and they will be looked after and raised in love.

Whatever twisted mental gymnastics, and rationalizations you have to make in order to defend the indefensible, I guess.  I’m gonna stick with: killing babies is bad.  Thanks.

[Chad32]

Is there even a bible verse that says babies and children under a certain age get into heaven? Because I've heard it both ways, and some groups will baptize their babies because they don't believe this is true. Not that it's much consolation, because you're still killing a person who hasn't committed any crimes, because their parents did something wrong, or you believe they would grow up just like their parents.

[Banned]

Killing babies is never morally acceptable.

I never thought I would have to state that as an opinion. The fact that you disagree is reprehensible, and I think you are a horrible person for trying to come up with some sick justification for why murdering babies due to their lineage is okay. Your bible is twisted, and the closer you come to following it, the more evil you become.

I don't kill babies, try your nearest cockatrice of high order Masons, Jesuits and Satanists.

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Like, the only time I would condone killing babies is if we were have a barbecue. That's the only time. And I would make sure to eat all of the meat - I can't stand baby killing for sport.

In the previous post it's gigantic letters against killing babies, and in the very next post you make a joke about it.

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I'd advise caution in rebuking God over His conduct.  I'd suspect He does not take criticism well.


The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
   because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
   their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
   their pregnant women ripped open.


Better to lie low than attract His attention and suffer dire consequences.

What's the point of paying lip service to a god who supposedly knows our thoughts and actions? He knows what we're thinking, so we might as well say it. He doesn't seem to differentiate thoughts and actions anyway.

Did you know that in the day of Judgement, you will be the judge, and your own mouth will justify or condemn yourself?

God doesn't need to say anything against the people who create their own unbelief, rebellion and confession of evil.

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He's not loving. Hence why he wants you to obey every word he says, and claims you're worthy of being completely abandoned or set on fire for eternity when you don't.

All the information we have about this god comes from the bible. Everything else has to be taken on faith. So there isn't really further knowledge we can take. If it paints him in a bad way, then he has failed. He even admits his plan isn't going to work very well when he says the road to hell is broad, and the road to heaven is narrow, instead of being the other way around.

Why should it apply to god, when he doesn't apply it to us? Humans go to hell by default. We're expected to seek him out, and get "saved" from the punishment he intends for us if we don't. Innocent until proven guilty is our idea, because we've grown past this bible god.

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He can count the hairs on your head, but seems to think you're capable of controlling your thoughts when it's proven you can't. Thou shalt not covet is meaningless.

Thought crimes are a lot of what keeps it going. Even if you can obey all the rules concerning actions, eek you had impure thought! Now you have to come crawling to god for forgiveness, how wretched is someone who for nay time even 45 seconds wants what someone else has or or for a brief time has sexual thoughts about someone they aren't married to.

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Yeah, he's not real good with iron either, despite creating literally mega-mega-mega tons of the stuff when he invoked all of creation.  His skill set has clearly declined.

He should have spoken the AICD (Anti Iron Chariot Device) into existence.

If you love someone, your thoughts will not be desperate and greedy. If committing adultery in your mind is the problem, love will take that absurd need away.
Hating God is self destructive.

[shadow]

Killing babies is never morally acceptable.

I never thought I would have to state that as an opinion. The fact that you disagree is reprehensible, and I think you are a horrible person for trying to come up with some sick justification for why murdering babies due to their lineage is okay. Your bible is twisted, and the closer you come to following it, the more evil you become.

I don't kill babies, try your nearest cockatrice of high order Masons, Jesuits and Satanists.

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Like, the only time I would condone killing babies is if we were have a barbecue. That's the only time. And I would make sure to eat all of the meat - I can't stand baby killing for sport.

In the previous post it's gigantic letters against killing babies, and in the very next post you make a joke about it.

You don't get the irony, do you? We have a joke around here about atheists eating babies... like we're the spawn of satan, like we're just pure evil. It's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth, but it's a misconception that actually has taken hold in some places.

But then one of resident theists actually has the audacity to suggest that it's okay to murder babies, if they're, you know, that kind of baby.

So who the hell are theists to suggest atheists aren't moral? Evil that is a joke to us because it's so preposterous, is something that you condone. You are embodying the evil that theists ascribe to those who have no god. It's a joke for me, and literally everyone else on this site, because I would never in a million years try to justify the murder of babies. To you... maybe it isn't a joke. And atheists are somehow the ones going to hell here? Gotcha.

[Banned]

Whatever twisted mental gymnastics, and rationalizations you have to make in order to defend the indefensible, I guess.  I’m gonna stick with: killing babies is bad.  Thanks.

If you have any further questions, you could ask God and get some direct answers.

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I don't kill babies, try your nearest cockatrice of high order Masons, Jesuits and Satanists.

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In the previous post it's gigantic letters against killing babies, and in the very next post you make a joke about it.

You don't get the irony, do you? We have a joke around here about atheists eating babies... like we're the spawn of satan, like we're just pure evil. It's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth, but it's a misconception that actually has taken hold in some places.

But then one of resident theists actually has the audacity to suggest that it's okay to murder babies, if they're, you know, that kind of baby.

So who the hell are theists to suggest atheists aren't moral? Evil that is a joke to us because it's so preposterous, is something that you condone. You are embodying the evil that theists ascribe to those who have no god. It's a joke for me, and literally everyone else on this site, because I would never in a million years try to justify the murder of babies. To you... maybe it isn't a joke. And atheists are somehow the ones going to hell here? Gotcha.

I don't joke about what really takes place.

[shadow]

You don't get the irony, do you? We have a joke around here about atheists eating babies... like we're the spawn of satan, like we're just pure evil. It's funny because it couldn't be farther from the truth, but it's a misconception that actually has taken hold in some places.

But then one of resident theists actually has the audacity to suggest that it's okay to murder babies, if they're, you know, that kind of baby.

So who the hell are theists to suggest atheists aren't moral? Evil that is a joke to us because it's so preposterous, is something that you condone. You are embodying the evil that theists ascribe to those who have no god. It's a joke for me, and literally everyone else on this site, because I would never in a million years try to justify the murder of babies. To you... maybe it isn't a joke. And atheists are somehow the ones going to hell here? Gotcha.

I don't joke about what really takes place.

What do you think is really taking place?

[GrandizerII]

Whatever twisted mental gymnastics, and rationalizations you have to make in order to defend the indefensible, I guess.  I’m gonna stick with: killing babies is bad.  Thanks.

If you have any further questions, you could ask God and get some direct answers.

Me: Hi, God. If killing babies is wrong, why did you command human beings to do so?

God: ... ... ...

Me: Still selectively mute, eh?

[Banned]

What do you think is really taking place?

Why don't you tell me, according to your replies, you seem to know so much about what I think, say and do?