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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 8:51 pm
Atlas, I known people who use to curse God that are Muslims now. It means nothing.
Disbelief means the proof is beyond apparent to you but you are stubborn and refuse. The word stubborn is used in many places to show the context of disbelief.
The Catholics in Arabia were stubborn because the truth on many levels had become apparent to them.
It doesn't mean all Catholics are that. And it doesn't mean some or many Catholics are not that.
We just don't know the responsibility of each soul and what has become apparent to them. We don't.
We simply don't and should leave it for God to judge.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 8:57 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 8:49 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 28, 2018 at 8:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The moral virtue is simple: loyalty.
Abraham loved his son. And waited to a very long age until he had him. So sacrificing was a test for loyalty more than anything.
Still; if chose to do it God will stop it -like the real story-, if he chose not to, his son will also live. So his son will live in both scenarios.
Loyalty. Fuck that shit! Abraham was a psychopath! If loyalty is an option for you, then you are a psychopath too! If you hear voices telling you to kill anybody, please save others needless trauma and check yourself into a psych hospital. Voices telling you to kill will get you admitted these days! Why? Because, as a society, we have morally and rationally progressed since the bronze age.
His faith was so strong that he was ready to kill his own. Then he knew that God exists according the Quran before that incident; in one incident fire did not burn him when his tribe wanted to sacrifice him. So he knew it wasn't "voices" or he is "crazy".
People in the past knew "crazy".
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 8:58 pm
People today know crazy, too. They kill people and claim god told them to do it.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Quote: If a Christian or Muslim or Jew wants to call me a "Non believer" wants to call me that they can.
Ha. You ought to hear what I call them.
Oh wait. You have.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:06 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 8:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Atlas, I known people who use to curse God that are Muslims now. It means nothing.
Disbelief means the proof is beyond apparent to you but you are stubborn and refuse. The word stubborn is used in many places to show the context of disbelief.
The Catholics in Arabia were stubborn because the truth on many levels had become apparent to them.
It doesn't mean all Catholics are that. And it doesn't mean some or many Catholics are not that.
We just don't know the responsibility of each soul and what has become apparent to them. We don't.
We simply don't and should leave it for God to judge.
You ignored every point I asked you.
What a waste of time....
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:07 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 8:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (March 28, 2018 at 8:49 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Fuck that shit! Abraham was a psychopath! If loyalty is an option for you, then you are a psychopath too! If you hear voices telling you to kill anybody, please save others needless trauma and check yourself into a psych hospital. Voices telling you to kill will get you admitted these days! Why? Because, as a society, we have morally and rationally progressed since the bronze age.
His faith was so strong that he was ready to kill his own. Then he knew that God exists according the Quran before that incident; in one incident fire did not burn him when his tribe wanted to sacrifice him. So he knew it wasn't "voices" or he is "crazy".
People in the past knew "crazy". You are as evil and demented as Abraham.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:07 pm
There is another viewpoint. It's one where neither Abraham sought to kill his son literally neither did God order him to.
What I wanted to show in all this, is don't get tunneled vision when approaching a verse.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:09 pm
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(March 28, 2018 at 8:43 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (March 28, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: See, allah wants to know you'd at least do it.... of he told you to.
What a dick.
He doesn't "want to know", he already knows.
But this is how life is: what God "knows" is what happens. Fate is already written; but for it to happen, it must take place in real time. Only a dick would ask what he already knows..about killing a persons kid.
(March 28, 2018 at 8:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Quote:Khemikal
See, allah wants to know you'd at least do it.... of he told you to.
What a ****.
You see; troll ?
He is cursing God : Really..am I cursing god..or are you? You;re the one who says he told abraham to kill his kid for the lulz, even though he already knew what abraham would do.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:13 pm
(March 28, 2018 at 9:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is another viewpoint. It's one where neither Abraham sought to kill his son literally neither did God order him to.
What I wanted to show in all this, is don't get tunneled vision when approaching a verse.
I have already stated that Abraham is a myth. All we can argue now is whether his mythical actions were virtuous or evil. I say evil. The Sufis may try to coat it with sugar glaze but it is a myth which betrays the ethical worldview of any living person who perpetuates that myth.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
March 28, 2018 at 9:20 pm
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It has to do with the concept of "fana" which means annihilation.
And because Muslims were materialistic and forgot the purpose was to disappear into the light, into God and the Messenger and make the journey to the holiest place of prostration to God, they could never see it simply a story that both of them were seeking to annihilate themselves, and Abraham was seeking to annihilate the soul of Ishmael into God so that he becomes one of the "patient".
This took place in the spiritual world.
There's another edge case: The beat verse: https://atheistforums.org/thread-54138.html
Often it's the opposite of what we think God meant that is the truth.
Think outside the box and reflect and you will be able to solve the problems you have of the edge cases.
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