The most awkward conversation ever

[Angrboda]

The Latin word likely arose by analogy with a suit of lexemes based on vireo, meaning "to be green, fresh or flourishing", mostly with botanic reference—in particular, virga meaning "strip of wood".

~ Wikipedia

intacto m (feminine singular intacta, masculine plural intactos, feminine plural intactas, comparable)

intact; untouched; unscathed (not damaged or hurt)
"As florestas daquela região ainda estão intactas."
"The forests in that region are still untouched."

[Drich]

Maybe it wasn't questioned? Maybe there was some sort of bullshit prophecy to be fulfilled or something? Maybe people were lying for Jesus even before he was born? Or shock horror, maybe it never happened??

It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

[Cod]

Maybe it wasn't questioned? Maybe there was some sort of bullshit prophecy to be fulfilled or something? Maybe people were lying for Jesus even before he was born? Or shock horror, maybe it never happened??

It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

If you want to believe that the creator of the universe impregnated a middle eastern virgin with his Jesus sperm, that's up to you. I definitely would not describe what you're saying as in any way sensible.
You are basically saying that having a quick look at her minge proved that God got her pregnant? It's laughable Drich.

[The Grand Nudger]

Girl goes out in the desert alone and gets knocked up by ifreet.  Christianity is born.  

Allegedly.

[bennyboy]

Yeah, I gotta say Joseph is a pretty shady character-- what has HE got going on that he's going to give his wife a pass on something like that? My guess is he'd been making out with Tarus Jo-us in the manger, and wasn't sure if Mary was on to him.

[Abaddon_ire]

Turns out Drich is hopelessly naive on matters of sexuality. Who knew?

[arewethereyet]

Maybe Mary and Joseph had figured out a way to pass the time when 'whoops, baby on board' happened so they came up with a story about a virgin birth and apparently were quite convincing.

[Yonadav]

Oh for fuck sake!. The hymen myth is alive and well.

The hymen is a biological fact. However, largely through simple ignorance men have given an absurd importance.

The virgin Mary is so names because she had never had sex when she became pregnant with Jesus.

The term 'virgo intacta" has come to mean anyone (male or female) who has never ha sex with another person. I don't think objects count.

Merriam-Webster

virgo intacta Latin phrase
vir·go in·tac·ta | \ ˈvir-ˌgō-in-ˈtäk-tä
\
Definition of virgo intacta

: untouched virgin


Check out the link below:

https://iwhc.org/2010/05/10-myths-about-...-debunked/

I'm not sure what your point is here. Mary was ostensibly Jewish in a Jewish land, so Jewish law would have applied. Talmudic discussions say that the hymen is proof of virginity, but a hymen that is not intact is not proof of having had sexual relations-- the reason being 'accidents of wood'. An accident of wood is any event other than sexual relations that might have caused the hymen to not be intact. So the upshot would be that Jewish law would accept an intact hymen as being proof of virginity.

That's all sort of moot, though. Jewish law would never accept that a virgin birth was Divine in origin, unless a prophet who had established their credentials as a prophet said that the pregnancy was Divine in origin. This pregnancy happened after the time of the prophets. There were no prophets who could have certified the pregnancy as being Divine in origin at that time. So there is absolutely no chance that Jews would have accepted the pregnancy as an 'immaculate conception'. They would have accepted proof of her virginity, but they would have regarded her pregnancy as still being a mundane event. Jews don't accept 'miracles' very easily. Jewish law specifically rejects 'magic' as being proof of anything.

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Maybe it wasn't questioned? Maybe there was some sort of bullshit prophecy to be fulfilled or something? Maybe people were lying for Jesus even before he was born? Or shock horror, maybe it never happened??

It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

You are completely wrong. It was not a stoning offense. Becoming pregnant is not a stoning offense. You're thinking like a goy. It is only a stoning offense when adulterers are caught in the act, and then both of them are stoned. They have to be caught in the act by two witnesses. If one of the witnesses is the woman's husband, then only the male adulterer is going to be stoned, ironically because the husband is disqualified as a witness against his wife.

You can jump up and down and scream about how obviously a pregnancy is proof of illicit sexual relationships all that you want, but Jewish law just doesn't accept that. An unmarried woman absolutely could become pregnant, deny having had sexual relations with anyone, and a Jewish court couldn't have done anything about it. In Jewish law there is death at the hands of the court, and there is death from Heaven. When someone commits crimes that can't be punished at the hands of the court, then it is in the hands of Heaven. So when Jews noticed that an unmarried woman is pregnant and she denies having had illicit sexual relations with anyone, they just accepted it. She's either telling the truth or G-d is going to strike her down at some point in the future.

There was only one thing that could be done about a married woman committing adultery in the absence of witnesses-- only if the husband couldn't set aside his suspicion. He could demand that she drink the bitter waters. After drinking the bitter waters she would either die horribly or suffer no ill effects at all in accordance with her guilt or innocence. If Joseph had demanded that Mary drink the bitter waters, then that absolutely would have proved her fidelity according to Jewish law. But even then, we would not have accepted the pregnancy as Divine, since we simply don't accept magic as being proof of anything. She would just be a pregnant virgin, and the pregnancy would be viewed as an unexplained mundane matter.

[Fake Messiah]

Mary: "No it was God who has inpregnated me with his holy seed."
[...]
Joseph: "You just expect me to act as though the child is mine? And to help you think of a name? Jesus Christ woman."

What about Jesus' twin brother Thomas (James)? Was he also of God's seed? If he was did he also have superpowers like walking on water and cursing fig trees?

[Drich]

It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

If you want to believe that the creator of the universe impregnated a middle eastern virgin with his Jesus sperm, that's up to you. I definitely would not describe what you're saying as in any way sensible.
You are basically saying that having a quick look at her minge proved that God got her pregnant? It's laughable Drich.

did you know in 2013 there where almost 50 cases of claimed virgin births in the US? how do you think doctors would verify this condition? is it so hard to believe this same method was known by people who live 2000 years ago? what is so laughable about that?

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Mary: "No it was God who has inpregnated me with his holy seed."
[...]
Joseph: "You just expect me to act as though the child is mine? And to help you think of a name? Jesus Christ woman."

What about Jesus' twin brother Thomas (James)? Was he also of God's seed? If he was did he also have superpowers like walking on water and cursing fig trees?

Jesus did not have a twin he had a 1/2 brother. son of Joseph and Marry as Jesus was son ofGod and marry

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Turns out Drich is hopelessly naive on matters of sexuality. Who knew?

how so? I'm the one who suggested that a claim to virgin birth can be checked clinically by having an intact hymen.

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It was a stoning offense, (having sex with another man's wife) meaning someone could have died for this or at the very east mary be disgraced and pushed into prostitution or being forced to marry someone of low social standing. before destroying her life, they would have checked. Because Joseph wasn't going to be apart of this birth outside what happened. Meaning he was not planning to be the father of Christ. which meant leaving her for adultery which brings us back to stoning... Joseph stayed and no one was stoned because what she said was verified. they easiest way for that to happen was to do a simple hymen check.

Sorry to burst your convoluted bubble with a little common sense.

You are completely wrong. It was not a stoning offense. Becoming pregnant is not a stoning offense. You're thinking like a goy. It is only a stoning offense when adulterers are caught in the act, and then both of them are stoned. They have to be caught in the act by two witnesses. If one of the witnesses is the woman's husband, then only the male adulterer is going to be stoned, ironically because the husband is disqualified as a witness against his wife.

oy-vey.. You would normally be correct in a marriage who has been consumated. but here's the thing with this one. According to:https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/adultery/
One thing made clear from this biblical ordeal of the suspected adulteress is that the Torah gives the male partner clear prerogatives by laying the burden of proving innocence on the woman. And, while both the wife and her adulterous lover were subject to capital punishment if guilty, no reverse ordeal was instituted: a wife suspecting her husband of infidelity had no recourse. The standards were not the same and men were allowed to be polygamous.
If Mary and Joey never had sex and she shows up to be pregos.. And joseph demands he has never had sex with his wife, then she is guilty of adultery which is one of the 3 cardinal death penalty laws old sport.
She would have to prove her innocence or that it was indeed his. Which again is why the bible said he wanted to quietly deal with this and move on before the angel of the lord appeared to him.

You can jump up and down and scream about how obviously a pregnancy is proof of illicit sexual relationships all that you want, but Jewish law just doesn't accept that.

kinda does. as two witnesses where not the only forms of verification. https://www.sefaria.org/Numbers.5.11-31?lang=he-en shows a way to invoke the testimony of the lord. (having mary's belly distend) would be an indicator needed. Again especially if husband testifies he has never had sex with his wife.

An unmarried woman absolutely could become pregnant, deny having had sexual relations with anyone, and a Jewish court couldn't have done anything about it.

citation please

In Jewish law there is death at the hands of the court, and there is death from Heaven. When someone commits crimes that can't be punished at the hands of the court, then it is in the hands of Heaven. So when Jews noticed that an unmarried woman is pregnant and she denies having had illicit sexual relations with anyone, they just accepted it. She's either telling the truth or G-d is going to strike her down at some point in the future.

Adultery (sexual intercourse between a married woman and a man other than her husband [the biblical prohibition does not include sex between a married man and an unmarried woman]) is the only sexual offense recorded in the Ten Commandments. It is again recorded in the “Holiness Code” of Leviticus 20. The Book of Genesis (20:9) calls adultery “the great sin” and the Talmud calls adultery ha’averah (the sin par excellence). According to rabbinic tradition, it [along with incest, in the category of gilui arayot] is considered one of the three sins (along with idolatry and murder) that people should avoid even at the pain of death. The gravity of adultery is evident by the fact that the Bible describes the offense as being punishable by the death penalty for both the man and the woman.

Your ideas about justice come much later:
Laws of adultery continued to be developed in talmudic times. The unfaithful wife was dealt with extensively in a talmudic tractate called Sotah (the faithless wife). Before the penalty of death could be administered, the rabbis stated in the Talmud, a number of strict requirements needed to be met, including such necessities as the crime having to have occurred before two valid witnesses and a warning that must be given to the couple concerning the punishment for the crime in very specific terms. The probability of carrying out the death penalty was, therefore, quite remote

There was only one thing that could be done about a married woman committing adultery in the absence of witnesses-- only if the husband couldn't set aside his suspicion. He could demand that she drink the bitter waters. After drinking the bitter waters she would either die horribly or suffer no ill effects at all in accordance with her guilt or innocence. If Joseph had demanded that Mary drink the bitter waters, then that absolutely would have proved her fidelity according to Jewish law. But even then, we would not have accepted the pregnancy as Divine, since we simply don't accept magic as being proof of anything. She would just be a pregnant virgin, and the pregnancy would be viewed as an unexplained mundane matter.

but it would proove she did not have sex with him which was considered adultery which again was a stonning offense. something they practice as witnessed by the the woman caught in adultery and brought before jesus (just prior to them stonning her)