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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Borrowed from Armchairgeneral.com:
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You've all heard of the Air Force's ultra-high-security, super-secret base in Nevada, known simply as "Area 51?"
Well, late one afternoon, the Air Force folks out at Area 51 were very surprised to see a Cessna landing at their "secret" base. They immediately impounded the aircraft and hauled the pilot into an interrogation room.
The pilot's story was that he took off from Vegas, got lost, and spotted the Base just as he was about to run out of fuel. The Air Force started a full FBI background check on the pilot and held him overnight during the investigation.
By the next day, they were finally convinced that the pilot really was lost and wasn't a spy. They gassed up his airplane, gave him a terrifying "you-did-not-see-a-base" briefing, complete with threats of spending the rest of his life in prison, told him Vegas was that-a-way on such-and-such a heading, and sent him on his way.
The day after that though, to the total disbelief of the Air Force, the same Cessna showed up again. Once again, the MP's surrounded the plane...only this time there were two people in the plane.
The same pilot jumped out and said, "Do anything you want to me, but my wife is in the plane and you have to tell her where I was last night!"
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 8, 2011 at 6:24 am
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(October 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Borrowed from Armchairgeneral.com:
Quote Originally Posted by Bwaha
You've all heard of the Air Force's ultra-high-security, super-secret base in Nevada, known simply as "Area 51?"
Well, late one afternoon, the Air Force folks out at Area 51 were very surprised to see a Cessna landing at their "secret" base. They immediately impounded the aircraft and hauled the pilot into an interrogation room.
The pilot's story was that he took off from Vegas, got lost, and spotted the Base just as he was about to run out of fuel. The Air Force started a full FBI background check on the pilot and held him overnight during the investigation.
By the next day, they were finally convinced that the pilot really was lost and wasn't a spy. They gassed up his airplane, gave him a terrifying "you-did-not-see-a-base" briefing, complete with threats of spending the rest of his life in prison, told him Vegas was that-a-way on such-and-such a heading, and sent him on his way.
The day after that though, to the total disbelief of the Air Force, the same Cessna showed up again. Once again, the MP's surrounded the plane...only this time there were two people in the plane.
The same pilot jumped out and said, "Do anything you want to me, but my wife is in the plane and you have to tell her where I was last night!"
lol. 
(October 6, 2011 at 9:07 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:The documents that are being released under the freedom of information act, seem to be corroborating testomonies like these.
The 'proofs' offered at this news conference are open to scrutiny.
Corroborating testimony seems to be more credible at law.However, such testimony tends to be relatively ordinary.
A claim of alien visitation(s) is extraordinary. Such claims have been made thousands of times ,often by very credible witnesses. So far,not ONE piece of credible evidence has ever been produced.
.With such extra ordinary claims , I demand extra ordinary evidence. Personal testimony is simply not enough.If it were, I would be a religious believer instead of an atheist and skeptic.
Please note that I am make no claims of my own,I simply do not believe there is enough credible evidence to draw a valid inference. So no,the testimony is NOT 'compelling' to me, it's 'mildly interesting'.
What seems to be 'different' about these airforce personnel and their testamonies, is that they are NOT claiming alien visitations per se ie they don't say 'we saw aliens'. What they are saying is that they have experienced ufos, which obviously do not need to be extraterrestrial. Have some of them come to the conclusion that these ufos are ets? Yes, but they may be wrong in that, but they don't seem to be lying when they say these 'objects' did indeed fly over nuclear missile bases etc.
I've been checking this stuff out the last few days. From what I am learning, the wealth of declassified documents (radar readings) do 'prove' that ufos exist, not what they ARE.
I agree it is a massive leap to say a ufo is from another planet or dimension. It is more likely going to be a secret technology that baffles people who do not know about it. There are aspects of this 'secret technology' that lead to the alien connection:
the 'vehicles' perform manoeuvres that are too advanced and even seem to defy the laws of physics.
The 'interest' in the nuclear facilities and the interference of the nuclear warheads seems to suggest those of the advanced technology are maybe trying to highlight something about nuclear weapons. If it was say Russia(former Soviet Union) who were responsible for the ufos over the American sites, then it would be somewhat reckless for them to risk retaliation upon their own countries and vice versa.
I believe there are ufos which demonstrate very advanced technology, and the most plausible explanation would be that someone somewhere (the Chinese maybe???) has developed this technology. I am 'open' to the possibility that it could be extraterrestrial, but I think that very unlikely.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm
The most likely explanation is secret military vehicles.
Just cos you think the way they move is too advanced does not mean that the military aren't capable of doing this stuff now.
Unless of course, you are privy to all the specs of all top secret projects in the world.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 8, 2011 at 1:51 pm
(October 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The most likely explanation is secret military vehicles.
Just cos you think the way they move is too advanced does not mean that the military aren't capable of doing this stuff now.
Unless of course, you are privy to all the specs of all top secret projects in the world.
The SR-71 is my favorite UFO generator.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm
(October 8, 2011 at 1:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: (October 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The most likely explanation is secret military vehicles.
Just cos you think the way they move is too advanced does not mean that the military aren't capable of doing this stuff now.
Unless of course, you are privy to all the specs of all top secret projects in the world.
The SR-71 is my favorite UFO generator.
The 'objects' that were repeatedly sited at various nuclear faciilities as per the airforce personnel's testimonies I have linked to, ALL have two main things in common: the 'craft' are always circular or cigar shaped and they are all silent. Is it possible that any kind of air/space craft could be silent? Obviously the circular shape would rule out the SR-71, and from what I've read of the SR-71, it made a mighty sound??
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm
(October 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm)CoxRox Wrote: The 'objects' that were repeatedly sited at various nuclear faciilities as per the airforce personnel's testimonies I have linked to, ALL have two main things in common: the 'craft' are always circular or cigar shaped and they are all silent. Is it possible that any kind of air/space craft could be silent? Obviously the circular shape would rule out the SR-71, and from what I've read of the SR-71, it made a mighty sound?? We have a problem here. I don't believe those testimonies.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 11:41 am
(October 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: We have a problem here. I don't believe those testimonies.
I'd say we have a big problem if the testimonies of people in the highest level of trust, people highly trained to guard and regulate nuclear weapons and thus safeguard countries and ultimately the planet, can't be trusted to relate an event that occurred. The airforce personnel who gave their testimonies at the Washington press conference 27th Sep 2010 are:
Dwynne Arneson, USAF Lt.Col. Ret., communications center officer-in-charge
Bruce Fenstermacher, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Charles Halt, USAF Col. Ret., former deputy base commander
Robert Jamison, former USAF nuclear missile targeting officer
Patrick McDonough, former USAF nuclear missile site geodetic surveyor
Jerome Nelson, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Robert Salas, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Are you proposing that ALL these guys are lying or deluded? These are just a few of over 100 military veterans that have come forward with similar experiences. I believe they saw SOMETHING. That SOMETHING threatened the safety of nuclear facilities, so that very fact alone should set alarm bells ringing.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 11:50 am
Just because you are in some kind of armed forces does not mean you can't be a stupid gullible arse...
Or, they could have all been smokin' some funny shit 
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 12:13 pm
(October 9, 2011 at 11:50 am)frankiej Wrote: Just because you are in some kind of armed forces does not mean you can't be a stupid gullible arse...
Or, they could have all been smokin' some funny shit
Really? Whilst on duty? I think it's more likely they saw what they saw and are reporting what they saw. You don't have to bring 'aliens' into this so no need to be gulllible at all.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm
OK, so they saw some lights and and giant dildo shaped things in the sky?
You can see why people are sceptical of their testimonies... Just because they hold a position of authority does not mean that you should question them.
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