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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 8:28 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:24 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: False analogy.
You can have a free and open society that is extremely efficient at detaining and diverting criminals.
I should clarify. Yes you are right, you can have a that is efficient at detaining and diverting criminals. And I for one support such measures. But my point still stands. Someone has to a criminal before you detain them and for that to happen it means a crimes has taken place. That meaning that if want a 100% crime free you would have to put people in jail when they have committed no crime.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:12 pm)Jesster Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: The real question do you want them to.
And my answer is yes. Then your question becomes what rights do you want to give up? For example are willing to let the government have cameras in your bedroom because the asshole three blocks over raped his wife? If you say " of course, I would never do such a thing, I have nothing to hide" then what happens when the states values differ from your own? Maybe you spank your wife during sex and the government does not approve, what then?
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 8:34 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:28 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:24 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I should clarify. Yes you are right, you can have a that is efficient at detaining and diverting criminals. And I for one support such measures. But my point still stands. Someone has to a criminal before you detain them and for that to happen it means a crimes has taken place. That meaning that if want a 100% crime free you would have to put people in jail when they have committed no crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2n7SXUM9m0
Great movie. I was actually thinking of that movie making these arguments, and that scene right there perfectly demonstrates the moral delimma the movie posits.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 8:35 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:12 pm)Jesster Wrote: And my answer is yes. Then your question becomes what rights do you want to give up? For example are willing to let the government have cameras in your bedroom because the asshole three blocks over raped his wife? If you say " of course, I would never do such a thing, I have nothing to hide" then what happens when the states values differ from your own? Maybe you spank your wife during sex and the government does not approve, what then?
My rights end where they begin to trample over someone else, and visa versa, of course. That being said, I seem to have misinterpreted where you were going with your point. I'm not arguing to penalize people before they commit a crime. This isn't quite a straw man yet, but I'm not going to argue the point that you seem to be aiming at me. I'm not sure where all of that came from, because it doesn't seem to belong in this thread.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 8:39 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:24 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: False analogy.
You can have a free and open society that is extremely efficient at detaining and diverting criminals.
I should clarify. Yes you are right, you can have a that is efficient at detaining and diverting criminals. And I for one support such measures. But my point still stands. Someone has to a criminal before you detain them and for that to happen it means a crimes has taken place. That meaning that if want a 100% crime free you would have to put people in jail when they have committed no crime.
You could theoretically prevent crimes before they happen as well as remove the need to jail the potential criminals.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 15, 2016 at 11:46 pm
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(September 15, 2016 at 8:34 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Great movie. I was actually thinking of that movie making these arguments, and that scene right there perfectly demonstrates the moral delimma the movie posits.
Better short story. Philip K Dick, man. When people talk about the prophets of sci-fi they mean that guy, right thur. We've got threads on the boards, at all times, that are as good as lifted from his work.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 16, 2016 at 1:34 am
(September 15, 2016 at 7:33 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 5:54 pm)RozKek Wrote: Of course, that's a good idea at the present.
But if you need to learn to defend yourself, then something is wrong. You shouldn't need to learn to defend yourself.
If your not going to be responsible for your own protection, who is?
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 16, 2016 at 7:49 am
(September 15, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:06 pm)Jesster Wrote: So... you're saying that if a woman really doesn't want to be raped enough, she won't be?
(Yes, I know how snide my comment is)
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 16, 2016 at 12:49 pm
(September 15, 2016 at 8:35 pm)Jesster Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Then your question becomes what rights do you want to give up? For example are willing to let the government have cameras in your bedroom because the asshole three blocks over raped his wife? If you say " of course, I would never do such a thing, I have nothing to hide" then what happens when the states values differ from your own? Maybe you spank your wife during sex and the government does not approve, what then?
My rights end where they begin to trample over someone else, and visa versa, of course. That being said, I seem to have misinterpreted where you were going with your point. I'm not arguing to penalize people before they commit a crime. This isn't quite a straw man yet, but I'm not going to argue the point that you seem to be aiming at me. I'm not sure where all of that came from, because it doesn't seem to belong in this thread. What I was talking about before was the balance between freedom and safety. My point was two fold. In order for a society to be there must aways be some level of crime, however small, and that when you trade power to the government for safety, safety is not what you get. I think Parsons in 1984.
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Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
September 16, 2016 at 1:11 pm
(September 16, 2016 at 7:49 am)Mermaid Wrote: (September 15, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Buy a gun. Use it.
Reality. Embrace it.
In my defense, I wasn't aware we were talking about fending off rapists at first, so I kind of fell into that one unprepared.
Yet still, I don't see how owning a gun would be such a bad idea for a woman who is concerned about her safety.
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