@CL, if the verse I quoted is not part of the catholic doctrine, why aren't there female priests or popes?

(July 6, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Definitely not from Catholic doctrine.

Must've been absent that day in sunday school when the priestess said it. Or maybe I didn't tune in to the lady pope speaking.

Oh, right.

Cherry picking your scriptures, are you CL? tsk tsk

When will we see a pope-ess with the most-ess?

I'm guessing just the other side of never. You need look no further than the continual use of male pronouns for God to see the inherent sexism in the bible. Woman was an afterthought because man wasn't satisfied fucking animals.

(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet'

....You wouldn't know where that quote comes from, would you?

Definitely not from Catholic doctrine.

Okay, listen... this needs to stop. You seem like a perfectly nice person, but you don't get to lie about what is and is not a part of catholic doctrine and get away with it. Because, see, when I can go to the current catechism and see that it has this to say:

Quote:"Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68

And then I've got you on the other side telling us that catholic doctrine doesn't hold with this idea that women aren't allowed to assume authority over a man, I have to wonder why you think I'd take your word for it, over the current canon law and a succession of popes, all the way up to the current one, who have denied the possibility of women being ordained.

(July 6, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Metis Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Bolded mine. This is not Catholic teaching.

Remember, Catholicism is not sola scriptura. I can't speak for the Christian denominations that are.

It isn't in that sense, but it is part of the keystone of why women cannot become priests right? To be a top leader within Catholicism one needs to receive holy orders, and to receive holy orders you need to pass two checks...

A) A penis, and not just any penis but a fully functional set of male genitalia (eunuchs cannot become clergy or preform mass).

B) Women are made in the image of man, not of God. That's why the NT directs women to submit to their superior male who in turn submits to his (God).

If you look back at Church history this really is the case, you can be autistic like Celestine, you can even be a 13 year old boy who doesn't know crap about theology but so long as you've got a dong that makes you a candidate for the papacy. Forget the fact you can be a theological genius like Hildegarde; no dong? No promotion.

Women cannot become leaders in Catholicism, they will always have another man over them telling them what they can and can't do.

A. I don't know if this is true. I've never heard of that before, but will look into it.

B. Hm? This is not Catholic teaching, lol. From the catechism 2335 : "Each of the two sexes is an image of the power and tenderness of God."

From Gaudium Et Spes in the Vatican website: "Nevertheless, with respect to the fundamental rights of the person, every type of discrimination, whether social or cultural, whether based on sex, race, color, social condition, language or religion, is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God's intent. For in truth it must still be regretted that fundamental personal rights are still not being universally honored. Such is the case of a woman who is denied the right to choose a husband freely, to embrace a state of life or to acquire an education or cultural benefits equal to those recognized for men."

The reason the Church has all male priests has nothing to do with men being superior beings to women. The Church does not believe this to be the case. Only men can be priests because we believe only men can give spiritual life. Likewise, only women can give physical life. This does not make one gender greater than the other. Just different in some ways, with different things to offer.

(July 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have noticed that the vast majority of the members here are men. On the other hand, the vast majority of the members in the Catholic forum I used to participate in are women.

Are men generally more prone to atheism, and women generally more prone to theism? If so, does anyone have any theories on why this is the case?

Thanks!

Not judging by the influx of T-gendered gals here (feel free to shoot me if I get the phrasing wrong). If the trend continues to grow as it has, by 2024 half of the current male population of AT should be female by then.

(July 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have noticed that the vast majority of the members here are men. On the other hand, the vast majority of the members in the Catholic forum I used to participate in are women.

Are men generally more prone to atheism, and women generally more prone to theism? If so, does anyone have any theories on why this is the case?

Thanks!

Perhaps religion is for wusses?

(July 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Sorry, to answer the OP in the immediate demographics of this forum, my experience has been that there tend to be more men on forums than women (with some obvious exceptions, like female orientated forums for an example). Maybe it's just teh internets.

I would settle for this too, except there are way more women than there are men in the Catholic forum.

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(July 6, 2015 at 1:49 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, but Catholic women in 21st century America don't normally have those issues.   

I guess I should have made an exception for the countries/religions which actually would literally stop a woman from leaving their faith. Generally in the Western World we don't have that problem.

True, but the rights and freedoms you enjoy as a woman today in the 21st century world did not from Catholicism or the RCC. It wasn't the RCC that gave women the right to vote, it wasn't the RCC that gave women the contraceptive pill or the right to determine her own sexual independence.

My point was, they can still freely leave the Church.

Yea, which is punishable by eternal damnation. some choice they have

(July 6, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Definitely not from Catholic doctrine.

Okay, listen... this needs to stop. You seem like a perfectly nice person, but you don't get to lie about what is and is not a part of catholic doctrine and get away with it. Because, see, when I can go to the current catechism and see that it has this to say:

Quote:"Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68

And then I've got you on the other side telling us that catholic doctrine doesn't hold with this idea that women aren't allowed to assume authority over a man, I have to wonder why you think I'd take your word for it, over the current canon law and a succession of popes, all the way up to the current one, who have denied the possibility of women being ordained.

Esquilax, please. I am not lying. I believe you are a nice person too, so please don't accuse me of lying when I did not lie.

The verse Neim quoted is from the NT. The bible is not Church doctrine. Catholicism is not Sola Scriptura. This is partially what sets us apart from Protestants, though a lot of people don't understand that. The Catholic Church does not teach that "women are not permitted to teach or to assume authority over a man," and that "she must be quiet."

Go to any Catholic school and you will see that the majority of teachers are women. It is not against Church teaching for women to be bosses working over men, to be presidents of entire countries, to be rulers, etc. The Church does not teach that women are not allowed to speak.

Please check my post above this one where I address male priesthood.

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(July 6, 2015 at 2:08 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have noticed that the vast majority of the members here are men. On the other hand, the vast majority of the members in the Catholic forum I used to participate in are women.

Are men generally more prone to atheism, and women generally more prone to theism? If so, does anyone have any theories on why this is the case?

Thanks!

Perhaps religion is for wusses?

(July 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The reason the Church has all male priests has nothing to do with men being superior beings to women. The Church does not believe this to be the case. Only men can be priests because we believe only men can give spiritual life. Likewise, only women can give physical life. This does not make one gender greater than the other. Just different in some ways, with different things to offer.

bullshit. guess what, men are absolutely vital for procreation. women can't do it on their own. It means that women never have the authority to teach, and they are inferior to men in the church. They have to shut up and listen.

if you're not lying, you're blind.