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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:51 pm
@CL, if the verse I quoted is not part of the catholic doctrine, why aren't there female priests or popes?
(July 6, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Definitely not from Catholic doctrine. 
Must've been absent that day in sunday school when the priestess said it. Or maybe I didn't tune in to the lady pope speaking.
Oh, right.
Cherry picking your scriptures, are you CL? tsk tsk
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:52 pm
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When will we see a pope-ess with the most-ess?
I'm guessing just the other side of never. You need look no further than the continual use of male pronouns for God to see the inherent sexism in the bible. Woman was an afterthought because man wasn't satisfied fucking animals.
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 1:53 pm
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm
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(July 6, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Metis Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Bolded mine. This is not Catholic teaching.
Remember, Catholicism is not sola scriptura. I can't speak for the Christian denominations that are.
It isn't in that sense, but it is part of the keystone of why women cannot become priests right? To be a top leader within Catholicism one needs to receive holy orders, and to receive holy orders you need to pass two checks...
A) A penis, and not just any penis but a fully functional set of male genitalia (eunuchs cannot become clergy or preform mass).
B) Women are made in the image of man, not of God. That's why the NT directs women to submit to their superior male who in turn submits to his (God).
If you look back at Church history this really is the case, you can be autistic like Celestine, you can even be a 13 year old boy who doesn't know crap about theology but so long as you've got a dong that makes you a candidate for the papacy. Forget the fact you can be a theological genius like Hildegarde; no dong? No promotion.
Women cannot become leaders in Catholicism, they will always have another man over them telling them what they can and can't do.
A. I don't know if this is true. I've never heard of that before, but will look into it.
B. Hm? This is not Catholic teaching, lol. From the catechism 2335 : "Each of the two sexes is an image of the power and tenderness of God."
From Gaudium Et Spes in the Vatican website: "Nevertheless, with respect to the fundamental rights of the person, every type of discrimination, whether social or cultural, whether based on sex, race, color, social condition, language or religion, is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God's intent. For in truth it must still be regretted that fundamental personal rights are still not being universally honored. Such is the case of a woman who is denied the right to choose a husband freely, to embrace a state of life or to acquire an education or cultural benefits equal to those recognized for men."
The reason the Church has all male priests has nothing to do with men being superior beings to women. The Church does not believe this to be the case. Only men can be priests because we believe only men can give spiritual life. Likewise, only women can give physical life. This does not make one gender greater than the other. Just different in some ways, with different things to offer.
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:07 pm
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(July 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have noticed that the vast majority of the members here are men. On the other hand, the vast majority of the members in the Catholic forum I used to participate in are women.
Are men generally more prone to atheism, and women generally more prone to theism? If so, does anyone have any theories on why this is the case?
Thanks!
Not judging by the influx of T-gendered gals here (feel free to shoot me if I get the phrasing wrong). If the trend continues to grow as it has, by 2024 half of the current male population of AT should be female by then.
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:08 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have noticed that the vast majority of the members here are men. On the other hand, the vast majority of the members in the Catholic forum I used to participate in are women.
Are men generally more prone to atheism, and women generally more prone to theism? If so, does anyone have any theories on why this is the case?
Thanks!
Perhaps religion is for wusses?
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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(July 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Sorry, to answer the OP in the immediate demographics of this forum, my experience has been that there tend to be more men on forums than women (with some obvious exceptions, like female orientated forums for an example). Maybe it's just teh internets.
I would settle for this too, except there are way more women than there are men in the Catholic forum.
(July 6, 2015 at 1:49 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: (July 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, but Catholic women in 21st century America don't normally have those issues.
I guess I should have made an exception for the countries/religions which actually would literally stop a woman from leaving their faith. Generally in the Western World we don't have that problem.
True, but the rights and freedoms you enjoy as a woman today in the 21st century world did not from Catholicism or the RCC. It wasn't the RCC that gave women the right to vote, it wasn't the RCC that gave women the contraceptive pill or the right to determine her own sexual independence.
My point was, they can still freely leave the Church.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Yea, which is punishable by eternal damnation. some choice they have
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:21 pm
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"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: More atheist men than women?
July 6, 2015 at 2:25 pm
(July 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The reason the Church has all male priests has nothing to do with men being superior beings to women. The Church does not believe this to be the case. Only men can be priests because we believe only men can give spiritual life. Likewise, only women can give physical life. This does not make one gender greater than the other. Just different in some ways, with different things to offer.
bullshit. guess what, men are absolutely vital for procreation. women can't do it on their own. It means that women never have the authority to teach, and they are inferior to men in the church. They have to shut up and listen.
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