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RE: So you when to hell now what.
April 5, 2015 at 12:54 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Five reasons for the universe existing:
1. It has always existed (even though we know that not to be true)
2. It was farted out by a giant space whale
3. It's actually a complex simulation
4. It's the delusion of a single intelligence
5. It's actually the afterlife, we simply don't remember our real lives
Note, that I don't believe in 2-5, but it's trivial to simply state reasons for its existence. And 2-5 are no less fanciful than your three gods in one, with one sacrificing himself to himself because humanity sucks so bad.
Fixed that for you  we do know the age of the universe.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
April 5, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 12:54 pm)dyresand Wrote: (April 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Five reasons for the universe existing:
1. It has always existed (even though we know that not to be true)
2. It was farted out by a giant space whale
3. It's actually a complex simulation
4. It's the delusion of a single intelligence
5. It's actually the afterlife, we simply don't remember our real lives
Note, that I don't believe in 2-5, but it's trivial to simply state reasons for its existence. And 2-5 are no less fanciful than your three gods in one, with one sacrificing himself to himself because humanity sucks so bad.
Fixed that for you we do know the age of the universe.
True, but we don't know anything pre-Big Bang (for obvious reasons). If it's a cyclical event, then I don't mind putting forth #1, because even though each Bang may create a different universe, the cycle remains.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
April 5, 2015 at 1:14 pm
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Is this some new law? We have to have 5?
Do they have to be supported by evidence? Or make sense? No, Ok, good.
1. The universe has always existed
2. That's numberwang
3. That's wangernumb
4. Sorry, Ireland isn't a number
5. Nothing exists
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
April 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
April 5, 2015 at 5:03 pm
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(April 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm)IATIA Wrote: (April 5, 2015 at 12:54 pm)dyresand Wrote: Fixed that for you we do know the age of the universe. Are you sure?
According to Big Bang theory, the universe exploded into existence from basically nothing 13.7-something billion years ago. But we're at the beginning of a wave of discoveries of stuff that's older than 13.7 billion years.
Oh thank you i am going to read that.
Also i kinda know about the the universe recycling. Its a good thing and its less bleak and unfortunate like the total heat death of everything.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
May 3, 2015 at 2:03 am
(April 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)IATIA Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 11:02 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Every person should be able to state at five reasons for the universe’s existence’s. Amazingly, the atheists can’t even state one…just proceeding thru their life span like dodo birds. Why? There does not need to be a reason. That is another assumption on your part. Reason requires intellect and as there is no god, there is no intellect or reason for the existence of the universe. It just is. Still, that's pretty pathetic, having people wander thru this life and can't come with one reason for the universe's existence.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
May 3, 2015 at 5:36 am
(May 3, 2015 at 2:03 am)snowtracks Wrote: (April 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)IATIA Wrote: Why? There does not need to be a reason. That is another assumption on your part. Reason requires intellect and as there is no god, there is no intellect or reason for the existence of the universe. It just is. Still, that's pretty pathetic, having people wander thru this life and can't come with one reason for the universe's existence.
And here, Ladies & Gentlemen, is the grand reason why believers in gods are dishonest: if you can't find out something about the world around you, just make one up and hope it sticks. If it sticks, it must be true, huh?
Why is it so damn hard to understand that, just because we, as a species, don't know how the Universe came about, that doesn't mean that "god-did-it" is the correct answer?! WHY WHY WHY???
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
May 3, 2015 at 6:00 am
I assume that once in hell no rational thought or decision making would be possible. Just an eternity of screaming and suffering. Otherwise it's not exactly hell per se.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
May 3, 2015 at 7:33 am
(November 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: So your in hell for one reason or another.
what would you do there?
My whole thing would be so this is it just fire flames eternal torture.
This in reality might be heaven for a masochist. But wouldn't
after awhile it would be the complete norm for a person oh
hey time to get burned alive again or well oh hey i'm getting
stabbed with a pitch fork again. While people in heaven
are the exact same opposite and its like oh hey its that 1
same harp song and it just keeps repeating. eventually
insanity would set in for people in heaven and in hell
if that is a routine schedule.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
May 3, 2015 at 8:46 am
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That doesn't stop a lot of Christians teaching it. The religion is the oral myth, so if the oral myth says there's a hell, there's a hell. It only matters what people think the bible says, that's good enough in general.
If you step back and look at it objectively, then you have to discard almost all the bible, so that doesn't work either.
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