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I need major help with my Christian Family
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 10:54 am
(February 11, 2015 at 9:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: I never said your parents hate you or would, you are a little liar of the first degree.

You're just jealous that coolfunkDJ is smarter than you at such a young age. (Don't feel bad, I share your jealousy. Smile )
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 1:42 pm
(February 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Forgiveness??? For what infraction? Why would an atheist have to ask a christian for forgiveness for not believing in their god claim?

Should we atheists say sorry for the all of the contradictions, the evil, the plagiarized parts of the bible, and the mountains of missing evidence that make us unable to fake belief?

Hi @Brakeman
For people to hear and understand each other,
the Forgiveness has to be mutual. Christians and Atheists cannot go into discussions already rejecting and assuming the other is false.
So the first step is forgiving that we have our differences and that, yes, there are assumptions and mistakes made on all sides. The corrections are mutual, and when people realize the changes are also mutual, then there isn't this battle of wills working "against" each other to "try to make the other wrong" -- the battle becomes a shared effort to "try to make things right."
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#133
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(February 12, 2015 at 1:42 pm)emilynghiem Wrote:
(February 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Forgiveness??? For what infraction? Why would an atheist have to ask a christian for forgiveness for not believing in their god claim?

Should we atheists say sorry for the all of the contradictions, the evil, the plagiarized parts of the bible, and the mountains of missing evidence that make us unable to fake belief?

Hi @Brakeman
For people to hear and understand each other,
the Forgiveness has to be mutual. Christians and Atheists cannot go into discussions already rejecting and assuming the other is false.
So the first step is forgiving that we have our differences and that, yes, there are assumptions and mistakes made on all sides. The corrections are mutual, and when people realize the changes are also mutual, then there isn't this battle of wills working "against" each other to "try to make the other wrong" -- the battle becomes a shared effort to "try to make things right."

I hate to tell you this, but only one side of that converastion believes the other is a bad person deserving of eternal torture because of his or her beliefs.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm
(February 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(February 12, 2015 at 1:42 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: Hi @Brakeman
For people to hear and understand each other,
the Forgiveness has to be mutual. Christians and Atheists cannot go into discussions already rejecting and assuming the other is false.
So the first step is forgiving that we have our differences and that, yes, there are assumptions and mistakes made on all sides. The corrections are mutual, and when people realize the changes are also mutual, then there isn't this battle of wills working "against" each other to "try to make the other wrong" -- the battle becomes a shared effort to "try to make things right."

I hate to tell you this, but only one side of that converastion believes the other is a bad person deserving of eternal torture because of his or her beliefs.

I find it really fucked up since you can be a great person donate millions of dollars help the sick and needy and the less fortunate and if you don't believe in a god people are quickly to bad talk and even say you will go to hell.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm
(February 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm)dyresand Wrote: I find it really fucked up since you can be a great person donate millions of dollars help the sick and needy and the less fortunate and if you don't believe in a god people are quickly to bad talk and even say you will go to hell.

To be fair, many people have a reason to hate Bill Gates, as they have had the misfortune of struggling with some of his products. Since he put them through hell, they might think it only fair that he go to hell. Hating him does not have to have anything to do with his religious beliefs.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell. No matter how bad someone was, I would never submit them to endless torture. Or any torture in fact. So I guess I'm more moral than God, who knew?
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm
(February 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell. No matter how bad someone was, I would never submit them to endless torture. Or any torture in fact. So I guess I'm more moral than God, who knew?

Anyone who is not more moral than the God described in the Bible should be locked up for the safety of the public.

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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 3:26 pm (This post was last modified: February 12, 2015 at 3:26 pm by dyresand.)
(February 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(February 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm)dyresand Wrote: I find it really fucked up since you can be a great person donate millions of dollars help the sick and needy and the less fortunate and if you don't believe in a god people are quickly to bad talk and even say you will go to hell.

To be fair, many people have a reason to hate Bill Gates, as they have had the misfortune of struggling with some of his products. Since he put them through hell, they might think it only fair that he go to hell. Hating him does not have to have anything to do with his religious beliefs.

Yeah i can understand especially how insecure windows is and how they are changing it with metro and other things i can see why they hate him.
(February 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(February 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell. No matter how bad someone was, I would never submit them to endless torture. Or any torture in fact. So I guess I'm more moral than God, who knew?

Anyone who is not more moral than the God described in the Bible should be locked up for the safety of the public.

They used to have mental institutions for people like that used too.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 3:28 pm (This post was last modified: February 12, 2015 at 3:28 pm by SteelCurtain.)
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm
(February 12, 2015 at 3:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Dodgy
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