The stupidity of sin

[robvalue]

I have no idea what he's saying. I made it very clear I was talking about a free choice, changing belief just because of the desire to alter it. He told me I was wrong, yet he backs up what I say at every turn.

[Huggy Bear]

Okay Huggy, you're saying that anyone can choose to take a blind leap of faith? Granting you that, what comes next? You either apply that rule of thinking to every situation where someone says 'just trust me' without a valid reason, and end up getting conned a lot, OR you make an arbitrary decision to apply it to some claims but not others. But since you're talking about blind faith which is by definition and by admission based on no evidence, what is your criteria for arbitrarily deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in your life?

*emphasis mine*

Your assumption is that I place faith in everything, I have faith in God only.

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name

[Huggy Bear]

So someone choosing to change their beliefs, as you said is possible, you now describe as confusion. So you can't, in fact, choose to change your beliefs so that you're an atheist for an hour. Just as I clearly stated.

You're blatantly wrong and will just say anything to avoid backing up. I'm done.

Still no mention of how original sin is a choice. Certainly not my fucking choice.

I have no idea what he's saying. I made it very clear I was talking about a free choice, changing belief just because of the desire to alter it. He told me I was wrong, yet he backs up what I say at every turn.

This is what you said.

Right. Become an atheist right now Huggy, for an hour. Then go back to being a theist.

Sure you can change your beliefs, just not back and forth multiple times, that shows you have no idea what you believe, hence confusion.

[robvalue]

So it's not a free choice then, as I said. A free choice means it's whatever you want it to be.

Can you change your belief, right now, to become an atheist? Just once. And stay an atheist. Could you do that, just because you want to?

Actually lose your belief. Not just say you've lost it.

[emjay]

Okay Huggy, you're saying that anyone can choose to take a blind leap of faith? Granting you that, what comes next? You either apply that rule of thinking to every situation where someone says 'just trust me' without a valid reason, and end up getting conned a lot, OR you make an arbitrary decision to apply it to some claims but not others. But since you're talking about blind faith which is by definition and by admission based on no evidence, what is your criteria for arbitrarily deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in your life?

*emphasis mine*

Your assumption is that I place faith in everything, I have faith in God only.

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name

No, that wasn't what I assumed if you read my question properly. I asked, assuming (well hoping really... for your sake) that it wasn't the case that you put blind faith in everything, what was your criteria for deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in life? You've here said you only have that sort faith in God... fair enough... but the question was how did you arrive at that decision? To place blind faith in that particular claim over any other? I mean, if the definition of blind faith is that it is based on no evidence, then something else must make you choose to apply blind faith to one claim over another, in this case the god claim.

[robvalue]

It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.

[emjay]

It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.

Yeah, I suppose so. It's understandable if it was something you were indoctrinated into - ie happened at an age when you are naturally very trusting and believe everything you are told at face value - but if in Huggy's case it wasn't indoctrination and he made the decision as an adult (and I don't know either way on that question) then something must have made him arbitrarily choose to suspend the skepticism he applies to any other claim for this particular claim. I'm just asking him what he thinks that is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Indeed he is.  He seems to think that he can argue an ability into existence, that I do not have.. that he claimed -I- did...specifically.  I don't feel like reposting his trash, but that's how this -all- began, a few pages ago, lol.

Oh, so you basically don't have a link then?

OFC I'll always give a link when -you- ask.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-45507.html

Have fun. Hey, guess what, just checked again. Going on three days now and you're still full of shit. My patience isn't endless, I want this promised ability and I'm a little disappointed that you haven't managed to grant it to me with 72 hours of positively brilliant argumentation.

[robvalue]

It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.

Yeah, I suppose so. It's understandable if it was something you were indoctrinated into - ie happened at an age when you are naturally very trusting and believe everything you are told at face value - but if in Huggy's case it wasn't indoctrination and he made the decision as an adult (and I don't know either way on that question) then something must have made him arbitrarily choose to suspend the skepticism he applies to any other claim for this particular claim. I'm just asking him what he thinks that is.

Oh, I see. Yeah, if he wasn't indoctrinated then it is very odd.

[Huggy Bear]