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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 2:11 am
I have no idea what he's saying. I made it very clear I was talking about a free choice, changing belief just because of the desire to alter it. He told me I was wrong, yet he backs up what I say at every turn.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 5:30 am
(October 8, 2016 at 12:18 am)Emjay Wrote: Okay Huggy, you're saying that anyone can choose to take a blind leap of faith? Granting you that, what comes next? You either apply that rule of thinking to every situation where someone says 'just trust me' without a valid reason, and end up getting conned a lot, OR you make an arbitrary decision to apply it to some claims but not others. But since you're talking about blind faith which is by definition and by admission based on no evidence, what is your criteria for arbitrarily deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in your life? *emphasis mine*
Your assumption is that I place faith in everything, I have faith in God only.
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 5:44 am
(October 8, 2016 at 1:19 am)robvalue Wrote: So someone choosing to change their beliefs, as you said is possible, you now describe as confusion. So you can't, in fact, choose to change your beliefs so that you're an atheist for an hour. Just as I clearly stated.
You're blatantly wrong and will just say anything to avoid backing up. I'm done.
Still no mention of how original sin is a choice. Certainly not my fucking choice.
(October 8, 2016 at 2:11 am)robvalue Wrote: I have no idea what he's saying. I made it very clear I was talking about a free choice, changing belief just because of the desire to alter it. He told me I was wrong, yet he backs up what I say at every turn.
This is what you said.
(October 3, 2016 at 2:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right. Become an atheist right now Huggy, for an hour. Then go back to being a theist.
Sure you can change your beliefs, just not back and forth multiple times, that shows you have no idea what you believe, hence confusion.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 6:44 am
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So it's not a free choice then, as I said. A free choice means it's whatever you want it to be.
Can you change your belief, right now, to become an atheist? Just once. And stay an atheist. Could you do that, just because you want to?
Actually lose your belief. Not just say you've lost it.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 10:11 am
(October 8, 2016 at 5:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 8, 2016 at 12:18 am)Emjay Wrote: Okay Huggy, you're saying that anyone can choose to take a blind leap of faith? Granting you that, what comes next? You either apply that rule of thinking to every situation where someone says 'just trust me' without a valid reason, and end up getting conned a lot, OR you make an arbitrary decision to apply it to some claims but not others. But since you're talking about blind faith which is by definition and by admission based on no evidence, what is your criteria for arbitrarily deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in your life? *emphasis mine*
Your assumption is that I place faith in everything, I have faith in God only.
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name
No, that wasn't what I assumed if you read my question properly. I asked, assuming (well hoping really... for your sake) that it wasn't the case that you put blind faith in everything, what was your criteria for deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in life? You've here said you only have that sort faith in God... fair enough... but the question was how did you arrive at that decision? To place blind faith in that particular claim over any other? I mean, if the definition of blind faith is that it is based on no evidence, then something else must make you choose to apply blind faith to one claim over another, in this case the god claim.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 10:12 am
It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 10:32 am
(October 8, 2016 at 10:12 am)robvalue Wrote: It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.
Yeah, I suppose so. It's understandable if it was something you were indoctrinated into - ie happened at an age when you are naturally very trusting and believe everything you are told at face value - but if in Huggy's case it wasn't indoctrination and he made the decision as an adult (and I don't know either way on that question) then something must have made him arbitrarily choose to suspend the skepticism he applies to any other claim for this particular claim. I'm just asking him what he thinks that is.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 10:36 am
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(October 7, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Indeed he is. He seems to think that he can argue an ability into existence, that I do not have.. that he claimed -I- did...specifically. I don't feel like reposting his trash, but that's how this -all- began, a few pages ago, lol.
Oh, so you basically don't have a link then?
OFC I'll always give a link when -you- ask.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-45507.html
Have fun. Hey, guess what, just checked again. Going on three days now and you're still full of shit. My patience isn't endless, I want this promised ability and I'm a little disappointed that you haven't managed to grant it to me with 72 hours of positively brilliant argumentation.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 11:19 am
(October 8, 2016 at 10:32 am)Emjay Wrote: (October 8, 2016 at 10:12 am)robvalue Wrote: It's like being a magnet that attracts the first metal thing it finds, then sticks to it forever, with no room for anything else. It's just a matter of which piece of metal it gets exposed to first.
Yeah, I suppose so. It's understandable if it was something you were indoctrinated into - ie happened at an age when you are naturally very trusting and believe everything you are told at face value - but if in Huggy's case it wasn't indoctrination and he made the decision as an adult (and I don't know either way on that question) then something must have made him arbitrarily choose to suspend the skepticism he applies to any other claim for this particular claim. I'm just asking him what he thinks that is.
Oh, I see. Yeah, if he wasn't indoctrinated then it is very odd.
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RE: The stupidity of sin
October 8, 2016 at 3:40 pm
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(October 8, 2016 at 10:11 am)Emjay Wrote: (October 8, 2016 at 5:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
Your assumption is that I place faith in everything, I have faith in God only.
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name
No, that wasn't what I assumed if you read my question properly. I asked, assuming (well hoping really... for your sake) that it wasn't the case that you put blind faith in everything, what was your criteria for deciding which claims to apply blind faith to in life? You've here said you only have that sort faith in God... fair enough... but the question was how did you arrive at that decision? To place blind faith in that particular claim over any other? I mean, if the definition of blind faith is that it is based on no evidence, then something else must make you choose to apply blind faith to one claim over another, in this case the god claim.
In my case I can't really say it's "blind faith", I've seen evidence, works should follow faith; faith without works is dead.
1 Corinthians 2:4-5 Wrote:And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 14:23-25 Wrote:If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
What Paul is saying here is, speaking in tongues is fine and all, but it's craziness to the unbeliever, BUT if they prophesy and reveal the secrets of the heart, then the power of God is undeniable.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12
I posted this video a while back, of a woman who had the experience Paul was speaking of:
Now you may choose to just dismiss her testimony out of hand, but the thing is, something like 1700 sermons from William Branham were recorded and this woman's testimony is corroborated by and audio recording from June 13, 1968.
I made video clip from another recording which is a little longer in which he sort of explains how faith works, make sure you turn on the subtitles because due to his 7th grade education his grammar isn't the best, and the audio quality isn't very good either.
(October 8, 2016 at 10:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Oh, so you basically don't have a link then?
OFC I'll always give a link when -you- ask.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-45507.html
Have fun. Hey, guess what, just checked again. Going on three days now and you're still full of shit. My patience isn't endless, I want this promised ability and I'm a little disappointed that you haven't managed to grant it to me with 72 hours of positively brilliant argumentation.
What's the point in providing a link to the beginning of the thread?
(October 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 11:50 am)Faith No More Wrote: Is Huggy promising super powers now? Please link that. Indeed he is. He seems to think that he can argue an ability into existence, that I do not have.. that he claimed -I- did...specifically. I don't feel like reposting his trash, but that's how this -all- began, a few pages ago, lol.
Still waiting on that link...
@Faith No More
What happened man? Ran out of ad hominem attacks?
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