I was wrong about the simple choice.

[Jesster]

I have compassion, both for myself and for others. What the fuck does that have to do with your spiritual mumbo-jumbo?

[Brian37]

I have compassion, both for myself and for others. What the fuck does that have to do with your spiritual mumbo-jumbo?

Humans of all religions, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and any other you can think of, unfortunately see their goodness as coming from a holy writing, holy book or religious club. There certainly ARE compassionate humans in every single one of those, but they never want to consider that it is our species evolution that creates that compassion, not religion itself. Humans are simply projecting their own qualities in the form of myths and god claims are merely a projection of their own desires, narcissism and insecurities.

[Jesster]

I have compassion, both for myself and for others. What the fuck does that have to do with your spiritual mumbo-jumbo?

Humans of all religions, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and any other you can think of, unfortunately see their goodness as coming from a holy writing, holy book or religious club. There certainly ARE compassionate humans in every single one of those, but they never want to consider that it is our species evolution that creates that compassion, not religion itself. Humans are simply projecting their own qualities in the form of myths and god claims are merely a projection of their own desires, narcissism and insecurities.

This is why the echo-chambers of religion are terrible. Everyone thinks they have it exactly right, while not noticing that others are also getting it right through entirely different means. Maybe your super-secret methods aren't so special after all.

[robvalue]

Yeah....

When you throw terms like "everlasting destiny" and "Satan" in, like they are easily understood and observable aspects of life, you've already completely lost almost all your audience here.

Who... are you even talking to?

If you judge morality in relation to religious ideas, then I don't care about your version of morality.

[emjay]

It is much simpler than that.

Have compassion for yourself to the extent you begin to fear your everlasting destiny.  When you have enough compassion to have compassion for yourself, it will easily extend to others.

Anyone who is humble enough to give up the false cloak of Satan the false pride he inspires people with, will be saved.

Love is a secret language that emanates from and points to the Divine.  If you can't hear it to the extent you should have compassion for yourself regarding your everlasting destiny, you will not hear much of it's higher calls to the most beloved and the most beloved's most beloveds.

The way I see it is this: IF God exists and is omni-everything then he doesn't need anything and therefore created mankind on a whim, out of the omni equivalents of boredom and loneliness if such things are even compatible with omni-everything. And if he is eternal then he doesn't deserve to be God, he just is. So this all powerful being, creates mankind for company on a whim, and equally plays with their eternal fates on a whim. He wants his creations to love him but to that end all he offers is a carrot and a stick as motivation... which cannot create real love... only the delusion of it. So at the end of his efforts, heaven is only populated by a bunch of Yes Men suffering from a strange variation of Stockholm Syndrome, who delude themselves into thinking they love the creator when all they really love is the prize - eternal life in 'paradise' - and fear the alternative of hell. Maybe God's happy with that, but it's not real love, and it can't be real love with heaven and hell hanging over people's heads. So as I see it, there is no paradise on offer, only two hells... one an eternal slave to an all powerful being who creates, rewards, punishes, and destroys life on a whim... and the other, the worst that being can throw at you for not towing the Party Line. IF that is the basis for our existence... created on a whim to satisfy the needs of an all powerful being... which it could be - I can't rule anything out... except again an omni-everything with needs seems a contradiction in terms... then those are the only choices I see. But in either case I'm not so deluded to think that all the noble-sounding talk of how wonderful God is is anything other than a comfortable delusion in the minds of believers, that both intentionally or otherwise sucks up to their God and diverts (their own and/or others) attention - again intentionally or otherwise - from the real goal of eternal life in paradise. If on a whim... and God does things on whims so be careful... God changed the rules and said that believers went to hell... how many would be singing his praises then?

[Angrboda]

Without fear chances are you won't seek evidence nor accept them if presented to you.

That is a reality to me at least.  I thought before anyone shown proofs would probably accept them but I've grown out that view. We can discuss proofs, but most humans value the false concept of themselves over the true path they must walk and will turn their eyes away from proofs rather than accept them, let alone seek them!

Yeah, that must be why people didn't accept your proofs and evidence. It couldn't have been because your proofs are for shit.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yup, even simpler, lol.  Mystic, this little foray into islamic evangelism has been dismal.  Maybe you should try something else?

[RozKek]

TL;DR In order to be convinced that God exists you have to be fearful and irrational because there's no place for logical thinking and evidence with God :v

A genuine question, do any of you really think you can convince MK that he's wrong? ;_;

[Joods]

TL;DR In order to be convinced that God exists you have to be fearful and irrational because there's no place for logical thinking and evidence with God :v

A genuine question, do any of you really think you can convince MK that he's wrong? ;_;

For me, it's not about convincing MK that he's wrong. It's about trying to get him to understand that I do not believe in what he does and honestly, shoving that belief down the throats of people here by insisting what he does, frustrates me. Same as with all the other theists here who become all preachy or who tell me that I have no morals simply because I don't believe in a god or because I don't cater to religion.

It's a bunch of hogwash, but if MK wants to buy into it, great. Just don't expect anyone else to and don't discount our feelings or tell us that we don't know what love is or that we don't have morals or say anything else about how we "lack" something because it doesn't follow their belief systems.

[Jesster]

TL;DR In order to be convinced that God exists you have to be fearful and irrational because there's no place for logical thinking and evidence with God :v

A genuine question, do any of you really think you can convince MK that he's wrong? ;_;

Of course I don't think he'll be convinced that he's wrong here. That's why I mostly mock him instead. That's much easier on my sanity.