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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 12:39 am
He lives: "God sacrificed his son to give everyone else on earth the opportunity to return to him. Jesus willingly became that sacrifice. It was the only possible way."
What an impotent and unimaginative god you worship. "Only possible way"? How on earth did you reach that conclusion?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 1:17 am
(March 14, 2018 at 12:33 am)Whateverist Wrote: (March 13, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Something else you are not open to and that is evolution is a wrong idea.
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I'm prepared to cast it aside just as soon as I hear an even better idea. God did it in strange and wonderful ways is not an explanation; it is the admission that the solution is beyond your powers of comprehension. Evolution is not much doubted in science circles. I think it may be abiogenesis you're thinking of. But there again assigning it to cosmic magician is the same as saying it beats you; it is not an explanation at all. Not all the steps for biogenesis have been reproduced, but once it has we will understand it. Deciding God did it explains nothing.
It doesn't matter where I stand on this issue, when something is wrong it's wrong and it can't be made right. Yet many keep believing it so they will not have to admit that God is the answer. Besides whats the matter with God being the answer, seems to me it would be fulfilling to find out how God created things. Seems rather unfulfilling to try and find out how mistakes could lead to life especially when there is evidence saying evolution couldn't be. I see no evidence saying God doesn't exist.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 1:36 am
Are you under the impression that facts owe you fulfillment, or that your being unfulfilled by facts is informative?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 1:37 am
(March 15, 2018 at 12:39 am)Astreja Wrote: He lives: "God sacrificed his son to give everyone else on earth the opportunity to return to him. Jesus willingly became that sacrifice. It was the only possible way."
What an impotent and unimaginative god you worship. "Only possible way"? How on earth did you reach that conclusion?
More abritrary convenient restrictions.
Flip flop. He's all powerful, now there's this weird rule he has to work around, now he's all powerful again...
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 9:27 am
(March 15, 2018 at 1:17 am)Godscreated Wrote: I see no evidence saying God doesn't exist.
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That is entirely your choice.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 10:35 am
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(March 14, 2018 at 1:16 pm)Drich Wrote: (March 12, 2018 at 12:24 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Religious fantasies and group hypnosis and self-hypnosis do not qualify as "eye-witness".
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what a 3 dimensional way of thinking.
What if the whole of reality exceeded the confines of 3 dimensional thought?
That would make your meme unless and your assessment of Billions of people across time sharing the same 'group hypnosis even if they never had access to God or the bible.
Three dimensional. Our lives are three dimensional. Our planet is three dimensional. If there are other dimensions, we have no data on them, therefore, they are irrelevant.
Billions of people have come up with a god concept. They were trying to explain what the sun was, or trying to control others by claiming that they could talk to the rain god.
Billions of people have come up with many thousands of very different gods. It's called story-telling and imagination. If there was any credible evidence of anything remotely like a deity, these "gods" would be identical, and proof for this creature would be obvious. This is not the case.
(March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:54 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Astreja Wrote: No. Only love is love.
And if you mean the god of the Bible, that god is not loving -- it is a maniacal, homicidal control freak with a torture and blood fetish. Equating it with love renders the word "love" meaningless.
Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
Why do some xtians hold on to this idea that their imaginary friend is their DADDY? It's such an infantile mindset.
"I have this all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal parent who loves ME ME ME. If good things happen, it's because my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME and if bad things happen, my imaginary friend is teaching ME ME ME. My demonic sky-monster daddy murdered his "son" to save ME ME ME from being tortured for eternity for being what it created ME ME ME to be, and nobody cares about the people who are going to hell, they deserve it."
Crap-loads of this ridiculous egotistical drivel based on some evil, immoral, tribal fairy tales all based on "my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME better than those people over there".
Your imaginary friend is the most evil monster humankind has ever created.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 11:41 am
(March 15, 2018 at 10:35 am)drfuzzy Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:16 pm)Drich Wrote: what a 3 dimensional way of thinking.
What if the whole of reality exceeded the confines of 3 dimensional thought?
That would make your meme unless and your assessment of Billions of people across time sharing the same 'group hypnosis even if they never had access to God or the bible.
Three dimensional. Our lives are three dimensional. Our planet is three dimensional. If there are other dimensions, we have no data on them, therefore, they are irrelevant.
Billions of people have come up with a god concept. They were trying to explain what the sun was, or trying to control others by claiming that they could talk to the rain god.
Billions of people have come up with many thousands of very different gods. It's called story-telling and imagination. If there was any credible evidence of anything remotely like a deity, these "gods" would be identical, and proof for this creature would be obvious. This is not the case.
(March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm)He lives Wrote:
Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
Why do some xtians hold on to this idea that their imaginary friend is their DADDY? It's such an infantile mindset.
"I have this all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal parent who loves ME ME ME. If good things happen, it's because my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME and if bad things happen, my imaginary friend is teaching ME ME ME. My demonic sky-monster daddy murdered his "son" to save ME ME ME from being tortured for eternity for being what it created ME ME ME to be, and nobody cares about the people who are going to hell, they deserve it."
Crap-loads of this ridiculous egotistical drivel based on some evil, immoral, tribal fairy tales all based on "my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME better than those people over there".
Your imaginary friend is the most evil monster humankind has ever created.
Why do most atheists think they know who God is when they haven't got a clue?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 11:44 am
3 dimensional as opposed to 1 in the "turtles all the way down" theory ??
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 12:02 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 11:41 am)He lives Wrote: Why do most atheists think they know who God is when they haven't got a clue?
Irony isn't your thing, is it?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 15, 2018 at 12:18 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 11:41 am)He lives Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 10:35 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Three dimensional. Our lives are three dimensional. Our planet is three dimensional. If there are other dimensions, we have no data on them, therefore, they are irrelevant.
Billions of people have come up with a god concept. They were trying to explain what the sun was, or trying to control others by claiming that they could talk to the rain god.
Billions of people have come up with many thousands of very different gods. It's called story-telling and imagination. If there was any credible evidence of anything remotely like a deity, these "gods" would be identical, and proof for this creature would be obvious. This is not the case.
Why do some xtians hold on to this idea that their imaginary friend is their DADDY? It's such an infantile mindset.
"I have this all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal parent who loves ME ME ME. If good things happen, it's because my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME and if bad things happen, my imaginary friend is teaching ME ME ME. My demonic sky-monster daddy murdered his "son" to save ME ME ME from being tortured for eternity for being what it created ME ME ME to be, and nobody cares about the people who are going to hell, they deserve it."
Crap-loads of this ridiculous egotistical drivel based on some evil, immoral, tribal fairy tales all based on "my imaginary friend loves ME ME ME better than those people over there".
Your imaginary friend is the most evil monster humankind has ever created.
Why do most atheists think they know who God is when they haven't got a clue?
I was raised Pentecostal. I'm pretty sure god is a figment of human imagination.
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