Hey Trumptards - Enjoy Your Sore Assholes

[The Grand Nudger]

The other thing is that I've heard him deride libertarians many times, but if he's a pro-free trade liberal, he's not super far off from being one.

Sure, and I can deride libertarians all day long myself......that doesn't mean I have some anti free trade stance or that I;m even remotely close to being a libertarian.

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-sideline...I think it was jorg that put this one out there, but my favorite description (from someone else) of my own personal political leanings was that I was a techno-fascist, lol.

[CapnAwesome]

I don;t see him speaking passionately about free trade now, either, just noting that russia is the constant beneficiary of Mad King MAGA's "america first" nonsense.

Yeah, because we are adding tariffs against China, because of less free trade. That's what happens when you start adding tariffs. I have a feeling though, if Bernie Sanders were president and doing the a similar tariff policy, we wouldn't be seeing these threads.

I don't know how that's not advocating for free trade though? Min obviously is. What else would you call it?

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I think..Cap, you might have been imagining protectionists were there were none.  You referenced the bernieites earlier..for example..but Min was never one of those poor fuckers, lol.

There are troglodyte protectionists, and out and out free traders whose may have a hidden agenda of profiting from shady practices while preventing these from being regulated, all in the name of free trade.   But in between there are many different shades and subtle gradations.

So throwing the term protectionist or free traders around really illuminates nothing.

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The other thing is that I've heard him deride libertarians many times, but if he's a pro-free trade liberal, he's not super far off from being one.

No. Libertarians may tend to be for freer international trade, there are many other positions they tend to advocate that can be obnoxious to other people who are for different principles also supportive of freeer international trade.

It is childish rethorical strategum, but one sadly accurately calibrated for the level of judgement commonly seen in Americans electorates, to lay sole claim to a creditable position that is by no means unique to one’s own political camp, and then implies inconsistency in others if they were to support this position while oppose the camp’s other positions.

I'll make a mental note that you guys are free-traders to one degree or another for the future. I'm not in anyway denying it, just surprised is all.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don;t know why you'd presume otherwise in the first place.  We're americans..largely...shit is practically written into our dna, lol. 

(I think you totally missed the pulse of mins OP, he pointed out that russia was laughing all the way to alfa bank...yet again, at the expense of the mad kings supporters.)

[The Industrial Atheist]

He didn't try to smooth things over to prevent a trade war because 1)he has no diplomatic skills and 2)he doesn't give a fuck about that, or anything but money and kfc.

[CapnAwesome]

I don;t know why you'd presume otherwise in the first place.  We're americans..largely...shit is practically written into our dna, lol. 

(I think you totally missed the pulse of mins OP, he pointed out that russia was laughing all the way to alfa bank...yet again, at the expense of the mad kings supporters.)

I didn't miss his point, just pointing out the subtext of it, which is the highly ironic fact that it's because they are engaging in more free trade than us.

[The Grand Nudger]

@Cap
Yeah, but, theyre not.  That's an interesting extrapolation in any case, though.

@Zen
back again, zen is back..zen is back..zen is back -fuck-..whered he go?

[CapnAwesome]

I don;t know why you'd presume otherwise in the first place.  We're americans..largely...shit is practically written into our dna, lol. 

(I think you totally missed the pulse of mins OP, he pointed out that russia was laughing all the way to alfa bank...yet again, at the expense of the mad kings supporters.)

Lots of left wing people in America are not. I.e. the bernie Sanders type crowd. There have always been pro-protectionists. Also because I never heard Min specifically say anything about it until Trump. I sort of recall him saying some protectionist stuff actually, but I can't remember exactly.

Also when Bernie was in the primaries, I can't recall a group of people on here saying that he was going to start a trade war. Although to be fair, this place was super annoying around election time, and I wasn't on here much.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some Protectionist Stuff™ is included in many free traders platforms, as well. Meh.

(I agree about the election agitation..but, you know, gone now)

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For example....Im for the absolute assumption of unrestricted free trade (no tariffs, no taxes)...between mutually contractually obligated trade partners with a poison pill provision.

-but only because I see that as the only way to transition from trade to non-monetary cooperation.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Trump might not have sold out America to Russia and China. They might not have had to pay him anything but meddle in the elections to make sure someone was voted in who was so incompetent that it would happen anyway. This might all be going on without Trump's knowledge.

I wonder how that would hurt his ego, to know that Russia and China used him because he was incompetent

[The Grand Nudger]

I;m sure he;s capable of selling out the us in abject ignorance as well.  Maybe that; why he didn;t ask for more money?