(November 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm)abaris Wrote: Oh my god (pun intended). Present at least a challenging argument.

I know the discovery channel is full of reruns, but that's also the beauty of it. They're running documentaries about building the pyramids at nauseam.

Otherwise, google is your friend.

Facepalms! there's no mystery about how they did it. There are workers villages unearthed and as opposed to bible idiocy, they didn't use slaves to do the job, but highly trained and paid professionals. It was the most important job in ancient egypt. On a side note to those actually wanting to employ their brain: There are a whole lot of inscriptions being found, about how the workers were organised and how they called themselves. These inscriptions show, there was a fierce competition going on between the different work gangs. And yes, they had the best available health care of the time, provided by Pharao.

Just do some fucking reading or fire up your television.

If there is no mystery then how come moving an 80 ton stone 500 miles and lifting it 100 meters or so, without modern equipment, has never been demonstrated.

part of the scientific method is to test your hypothesis right? All I want to see is where this has actually been demonstrated.

Read up on the darn issue, dude. Read a few posts above yours and click some links. Do a google search. Watch some documentaries and when you've educated yourself on the basics, we can talk some more.

Otherwise I'm tired of repeating myself. It's a waste of time.

(November 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I suppose I don't need to tell you how modern scientists to this very day, still can't figure out how the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids.

Oh my god (pun intended). Present at least a challenging argument.

I know the discovery channel is full of reruns, but that's also the beauty of it. They're running documentaries about building the pyramids at nauseam.

Otherwise, google is your friend.

Facepalms! there's no mystery about how they did it. There are workers villages unearthed and as opposed to bible idiocy, they didn't use slaves to do the job, but highly trained and paid professionals. It was the most important job in ancient egypt. On a side note to those actually wanting to employ their brain: There are a whole lot of inscriptions being found, about how the workers were organised and how they called themselves. These inscriptions show, there was a fierce competition going on between the different work gangs. And yes, they had the best available health care of the time, provided by Pharao.

Just do some fucking reading or fire up your television.

But television is primarily where they get the idea that the pyramids are still a mystery!
Well..That and a mega shark named Submarine has been terrorizing South Africans for decades (http://www.idigitaltimes.com/submarine-s...ngs-376856), mermaids are real (http://www.businessinsider.com/animal-pl...013-5?op=1 ), ghosts exist, aliens exist, and bigfoot has been leaving evidence all over the planet. Discovery is not a valid source of information sorry to say, and neither is TV in general. Just sayin.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:32 pm)Luckie Wrote: But television is primarily where they get the idea that the pyramids are still a mystery!

The Discovery channel is stupid, but not as stupid as the history channel. Believe me, they feature pyramid building reruns at nauseam.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: We were talking about Egyptian pyramids and suddenly we're onto the pyramids of the Americas. Talking about moving the goal posts.

It's not moving the goal posts, my point is, the "wet sand theory" doesn't work, because other places with pyramids don't have sand.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, what are you claiming?

Magic skywizard moved them?
Aliens?

I simply said we don't know how they were built, to which you disagreed.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: One of the things modern people do a lot of is to frequently denigrate the abilities and achievements of our ancestors.

How the American pyramids were made, I don't know: I haven't studied those. I'm more interested in European/Middle Eastern Archaeology.

I'm sure enough research will find an article explaining it.

Humans can achieve a hell of a lot with muscle power. Look at the Egyptian obelisks.

It wasn't muscle power. ever heard of coral castle? it was built by one guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

http://www.rense.com/general39/coral.htm

Quote:The claim was made by an eccentric Latvian recluse named Edward Leedskalnin. An immigrant to the United States of America, Leedskalnin devised a means to single-handedly lift and maneuver blocks of coral weighing up to 30 tons each. In Homestead, Florida, using his closely guarded secret, he was able to quarry and construct an entire complex of monolithic blocks of coral in an arrangement that reflected his own unique character. On average, the weight of a single block used in the Coral Castle was greater than those used to build the Great Pyramid. He labored for 28 years to complete the work, which consisted of a total of 1,100 tons of rock. What was Leedskalnin's secret? Is it possible for a five-foot tall, 110 pound man to accomplish such a feat without knowing techniques that are uncommon to our contemporary understanding of physics and mechanics?

(November 4, 2014 at 6:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: We were talking about Egyptian pyramids and suddenly we're onto the pyramids of the Americas. Talking about moving the goal posts.

It's not moving the goal posts, my point is, the "wet sand theory" doesn't work, because other places with pyramids don't have sand.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, what are you claiming?

Magic skywizard moved them?
Aliens?

I simply said we don't know how they were built, to which you disagreed.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Beccs Wrote: One of the things modern people do a lot of is to frequently denigrate the abilities and achievements of our ancestors.

How the American pyramids were made, I don't know: I haven't studied those. I'm more interested in European/Middle Eastern Archaeology.

I'm sure enough research will find an article explaining it.

Humans can achieve a hell of a lot with muscle power. Look at the Egyptian obelisks.

It wasn't muscle power. ever heard of coral castle? it was built by one guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

http://www.rense.com/general39/coral.htm

Quote:The claim was made by an eccentric Latvian recluse named Edward Leedskalnin. An immigrant to the United States of America, Leedskalnin devised a means to single-handedly lift and maneuver blocks of coral weighing up to 30 tons each. In Homestead, Florida, using his closely guarded secret, he was able to quarry and construct an entire complex of monolithic blocks of coral in an arrangement that reflected his own unique character. On average, the weight of a single block used in the Coral Castle was greater than those used to build the Great Pyramid. He labored for 28 years to complete the work, which consisted of a total of 1,100 tons of rock. What was Leedskalnin's secret? Is it possible for a five-foot tall, 110 pound man to accomplish such a feat without knowing techniques that are uncommon to our contemporary understanding of physics and mechanics?

I've already said since we were talking about the Egyptian pyramids then wet sand is perfectly possible. In Central/South America they no doubt had other methods. In this case I simply don't know.

As to the last, yes, muscle power is amazing and, as I stated, we denigrate the achievements of our ancestors. No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power.

Again, look at what they achieved building/moving/erecting obelisks.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Beccs Wrote: I've already said since we were talking about the Egyptian pyramids then wet sand is perfectly possible. In Central/South America they no doubt had other methods. In this case I simply don't know.

As to the last, yes, muscle power is amazing and, as I stated, we denigrate the achievements of our ancestors. No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power.

Again, look at what they achieved building/moving/erecting obelisks.

In my example of coral castle, one man doesn't have sufficient muscle power to move 30 tons, but yet he did it. There has to be another explanation, but "muscle power" ain't it.

(November 4, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Beccs Wrote: I've already said since we were talking about the Egyptian pyramids then wet sand is perfectly possible. In Central/South America they no doubt had other methods. In this case I simply don't know.

As to the last, yes, muscle power is amazing and, as I stated, we denigrate the achievements of our ancestors. No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power.

Again, look at what they achieved building/moving/erecting obelisks.

In my example of coral castle, one man doesn't have sufficient muscle power to move 30 tons, but yet he did it. There has to be another explanation, but "muscle power" ain't it.

Quoting myself:

"No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power."

(November 4, 2014 at 6:24 pm)abaris Wrote: Read up on the darn issue, dude. Read a few posts above yours and click some links. Do a google search. Watch some documentaries and when you've educated yourself on the basics, we can talk some more.

Otherwise I'm tired of repeating myself. It's a waste of time.

see above post about coral castle.

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(November 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Beccs Wrote: Quoting myself:

"No doubt they had many other devices/methods along with muscle power."

So you would agree that scientists, as of right now, can't explain these devices/methods?

OK, here's coral castle viewed from a different angle:

http://www.livescience.com/41075-coral-castle.html

Sorry, no fairies. I didn't even know that shit existed, but apart from some supernatural bullshit there are perfectly natural explanations too.

(November 4, 2014 at 7:03 pm)abaris Wrote: OK, here's coral castle viewed from a different angle:

http://www.livescience.com/41075-coral-castle.html

Sorry, no fairies. I didn't even know that shit existed,

which makes your quote " Watch some documentaries and when you've educated yourself on the basics, we can talk some more." all the more ironic.

(November 4, 2014 at 7:03 pm)abaris Wrote: but apart from some supernatural bullshit there are perfectly natural explanations too.

Quoted from your link

Quote:But Leedskalnin worked alone using basic tools like picks, winches, ropes and pulleys.

sorry, but " picks, winches, ropes and pulleys" as an explanation when were talking cutting, transporting and lifting 30 ton rocks, just insults the intelligence...