Obama care

[Annik]

We need to raise taxes, as unpopular an opinion that is. However, the rich getting the tax breaks they do is really hurting our economy, I think. I'd tax them properly and then see what was left to be done.

[Minimalist]

Now i have to pay for people who smoke, eat, drink themsleves to death, That is crazy.

P.S. If you don't think you are paying for them now and have been all along you are out of your fucking mind.

[Autumnlicious]

It did but considering my brother has four kids now I think its rather too late...
Oh right, you're talking to him.

Ah, so the fact of your stupid brother, who really should have a goddamn vasectomy but has the cherished right to be a complete dumbfuck, justifies an argument against societally supported healthcare?

What's next?

An argument against funding police because people commit crimes anyways?

Be reasonable.

[Erinome]

Now i have to pay for people who smoke, eat, drink themsleves to death, That is crazy.

P.S. If you don't think you are paying for them now and have been all along you are out of your fucking mind.

Exactly. Anyone who has ever paid $30 for a fucking aspirin knows that.

[C.W. Sims]

Another really good point for universal health care is this. Did you know a man was recently cured of AIDS in Germany? He had contracted HIV and had also developed a rare type of cancer. The cure for the cancer was a bone marrow transfusion after total eradication of his immune system. HIV is a virus that lives in the immune system. However it invades other parts of the body and would have simply reinfected him. This is where universal health care came into play. Because there are certain people in this world with a natural immunity to HIV the doctor working on this man's case went through as many compatible donors as he had to just to find a person who was compatible and also carried the genetic immunity to HIV. When the man went through the transfusion and began to create his own immune cells again they were entirely untouchable by the HIV and it died out. At last check I read he had survived for two years.

Now don't get me wrong, this is not a cure for HIV as of yet, but it is a stepping stone, however this man would NEVER have been cured here in the US because the cost of testing and searching for a donor is only covered by insurance until the first compatible donor is found for the transfusion of bone marrow. It would never have been possible for his doctors to also look for the compatible donor who was also naturally immune to HIV because the simple cost would have been exorbitantly high to do so and no insurance would have paid for it.

Know what's really funny, the man wasn't even a real citizen of Germany. I can't even recall how it all came together but he was a resident of Germany, not a citizen, and yet was still allowed access to their Universal Health Care system. When you see things like this as an American and you see the anti-free health care rhetoric being spewed by small minded ignorant people it just sometimes makes you feel ashamed to be a part of the same culture.

[Erinome]

My best friend succumbed to AIDS nearly 20 years after being diagnosed with HIV. We got married for several reasons, but one reason was to get him on my private insurance. It wasn't a year before we hit the cap, and had to pay $600 a month for his medication.

A year after surviving shingles that destroyed his hearing, and spinal meningitis, at the same time, he went to sleep and never woke up.

He had medicaid and private insurance at the same time, and we still shelled out ridiculous money just to get them the care he needed. I can't imagine what additional testing would've cost, but I'm sure it would've been quite unfeasible.

[Annik]

That's horrible, Alei. I'm not sure if I could take watching my best friend waste away. :/ I'm sorry for your loss.

[C.W. Sims]

Precisely my point, my dear, the health care system in the US is a disgrace and is just ridiculously broken. Saddest thing of all is the amazing amount of nit-wits who don't want to fix it. Who think Obama is the devil for even daring to broach the subject.

[Erinome]

The anger stage of grief came almost instantaneously. So many people are opposed to the idea of the ACA without even taking the time to investigate for themselves what it actually is. They view it as a form of socialism, without even realizing that the roads they use, the police, fire, library, public schools... all of it is essentially socialism. It's money collected from everyone, and distributed in a way that all the public benefits from it.

Cris had a great attitude about it. Better than mine. I've been in a perpetual state of pissed off about this since 2002, when I realized nobody gave a shit.

[Annik]

I don't have as big a problem with it (socialism) at all, as I am a supporter of the Venus Project.