Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?

[Napoléon]

I meant UFO's only. It's scientifically impossible for flying discs to traverse the galaxy.

LOL. Hmmm, care to provide the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for this?

[IATIA]

I meant UFO's only. It's scientifically impossible for flying discs to traverse the galaxy.

Really?

[lucent]

When one considers that scientists have found other planets that can bear life and are similar to earth, and we consider how expansive and large the universe is I think it's more likely that extraterrestrials do exist.

When you add the fact that many people have documented the sightings of UFO's, and have accounts of UFO abduction, the possibility increases.

While I'm aware that some videos of UFO's are hoaxes and that perhaps some people might be "dreaming" that they were abducted there is still one thing one must realize. Many times these abductees are put into a hypnotic trance so that a psychologist can retrieve these accounts from their subconscious unscathed by any lies or misinterpretations by the conscious mind. However if you still attribute it to dreams, then read this

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/iscni24.html

Just about half way down the page, we see that surgeons have actually removed "alien" implants from people who have been "abducted".

So there you have it. "Physical Proof" of these interactions of extraterrestrials with human beings. Not to mention various legends about extraterrestrials like the "annunaki"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkUZ1L5k...re=related

[CoxRox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkUZ1L5k...re=related

Interesting vid. I'll watch the others later. It strikes me that there are too many 'trustworthy' sources e.g pilots, policemen, military staff, who have witnessed SOMETHING which is not NORMAL. The likeliest explanation is that governments have secret technology that they don't want to reveal.

[lucent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkUZ1L5k...re=related

Interesting vid. I'll watch the others later. It strikes me that there are too many 'trustworthy' sources e.g pilots, policemen, military staff, who have witnessed SOMETHING which is not NORMAL. The likeliest explanation is that governments have secret technology that they don't want to reveal.

I don't doubt that some of these sightings are legitimate. I've seen a few videos which are faily convincing. The hypothesis of some high profile UFO researhers, even secular ones, is that these beings/crafts are not interstellar, they are interdimensional. Meaning, that this activity is demonic, rather than of alien origin. For one, because they do physically impossible things like make right angle turns at 100's of thousands of miles per hour, appear and disappear, change colors and shape..and say if you had a crowd of 15 people..5 would see it and ten would see nothing.

Another point is because of the amount of deception involved. They will claim to be from various planets, even venus, but the stories are never consistant. The one story they do consistantly tell is that they are here to usher in a one world government and a one world religion, and they specifically deny that Jesus Christ is the messiah. Then you have the abduction accounts, which can't be explained away..I actually had a friend who admitted to me that he was abducted..and he was a very private person who would never make it up..he only told me because i knew something weird had happened to him and I bugged him about it for 20 years.

So, it seems like something very sinister is being planned for us..and I think a lot of people are going to be deceived by it. I believe it is the strong delusion spoken of that comes just before the tribulation.

[IATIA]

Good one 'lucent', you had me for a moment!

[The Grand Nudger]

Demonic Aliens? Your standards for evidence are so low as to be nonexistent.

[lucent]

Demons posing as aliens. Yes, it's nothing that I can prove, it's more like a muse, but as I said, many UFO researchers are in agreement that the "aliens" are not from another planet, but from another dimension. You ever heard of the Nephilim? It's the story of Fallen Angels mating with human women and producing hybirds.

Genesis 6:4

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown

The thought is that the Nephilim were messing with the genetics of the human race, which is why God wiped the slate clean. It specifcially says God chose Noah because he was perfect in his "generations", which means he had an untainted lineage.

You'll also notice this parallel quite a bit if you study mythology..almost every pantheon has a story which details the "gods" coming down to earth and mating with human beings to create hybrid offspring. That's a correlation with the "the heros of old"..people such as hercules.

Now you have the tales of "Aliens" coming to earth and doing experiments to create hybrids. It's the same story. These aliens, if you read the abduction reports, claim to want to create a one world government and a one world religion. That they are the enlightened ones, and even claim to have created us. They claim to be our friends, but instead act like our enemies. The one word that characterizes all of it is "deception".

The one world government and religion is specifically prophecied in the last days as what ushers in the antichrist to power. That is what Satan is working towards. To put everything in the power of the antichrist, and unite all of the religions to worship him. A lot of people have had the idea, an idea that has been spoken outloud by world leaders like Ronald Reagan, that the one thing that could unite the world would be an outside threat, ie an alien invasion. In any case, there is going to be some massive deception before the tribulation, and I think this is a fairly good candidate for it.

Demonic Aliens? Your standards for evidence are so low as to be nonexistent.

[Napoléon]

Actually Lucent I have researched the Nephilim myself and nowhere have I seen anyone say they were from another 'dimension'.

[lucent]

Actually Lucent I have researched the Nephilim myself and nowhere have I seen anyone say they were from another 'dimension'.

Well, Demons are extra-dimensional, from a spiritual plane of existence..the word Nephilim means "earth-born"..they were born on Earth..they aren't disembodied spirits, and whether they can traverse the material into the spiritual I don't know..Jesus said this

Luke 17:26

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

Which seems to indicate that the Nephilim could return in the last days, since they were around in the days of Noah.

There is also a prophecy in Daniel about the last days:

Daniel 2:43


And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not join one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

"They" seems to refer to the seed of Satan, and the Nephilim..since "they" are a different seed than the seed of man, and the seed of Satan is what created the nephilim. So there seems to be correlation between the last days and the nephilim. With UFO researchers saying that aliens are demons and the stories of aliens creating hybrids, seems like there is a connection..especially since the stated goal of the aliens is a one world government and religion, and they also specifically deny the divinity of Christ